Manga Mavericks

Entrance Hall => General MM Discussion => Topic started by: Orchid on May 20, 2016, 02:32:38 am


Title: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Orchid on May 20, 2016, 02:32:38 am
Does anyone here think fanfics might have the potential to surpass the original story? Has anyone ever seen a fabric that is better than the original story it's based off of?
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the original?
Post by: guest4 on May 20, 2016, 09:35:48 am
Me no get the thread title mean :S
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Orchid on May 20, 2016, 05:28:59 pm
Sorry! I was hearing a lot about a fabric about NGE fabric that I heard was better than the original, but I never read it.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on June 03, 2016, 09:12:58 pm
Never.
"Read my fanfic!" pretty much tells me what level a "writer" is at. It hurts to even use the term "writer" when it comes to fanfic creation.

The fanfic I see are:
1. I want to wank to the characters in X, so I'm going to write bad **** about them!
2. I can't come up with a universe.. or characters.. but I think I can come up with a story if I steal someone else's universe/chars!
3. I wanted the episode/movie to go this way, so I'm going to write that!
4. I worship this so much, I need to write about it, so I can add myself as a character! I'm going to be so cool!
5. I'm going to combine 1 and 4!

Generally just about all of it is cringe worthy/sickening.
You just want to cry when you find they have been sending their "ideas" to the creator for some time... or even better when the fanfic writer says the creator should no longer be allowed to write about those characters because the fanfic writer's stuff is so much better.

If you are fresh to writing and cutting your teeth on fanfic as it allows you to work on just a part of writing, that is fine but you probably do not want to show your stuff to to many people and you most certainly want to get out of fanfic ASAP.
Honestly, I respect the **** writers the most when it comes to fanfic.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Orchid on June 03, 2016, 10:30:29 pm
Oh I see. I was just playing devilds advocate and thought maybe there was a chance a fabric could have better writing then the original.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on June 04, 2016, 03:18:31 pm
Looks like it censors the word p-o-r-n
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on June 04, 2016, 03:19:44 pm
Oh I see. I was just playing devilds advocate and thought maybe there was a chance a fabric could have better writing then the original.
When you see this this is generally paid writers that creators seek out and not fanfic.
Like how Star Trek has had people like Harlan Ellison write and episode.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Lumaria on June 10, 2016, 02:20:23 am
Rarely do fan fits become better than the original story. It's subject to changes or wish fulfilment.

Is it possible? So far ghost in the shell: Stand alone Complex surpasses the original Manga and I dare say even the film adaptation. But the difference there is a huge team.

I believe if someone who is skilled, passionate, but also has a neutral team that knows how writing works, then I'm sure it's possible.

But I doubt anyone would ever dedicate that much time on make fan fiction. Fanfiction is the deviant art of writing.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on June 10, 2016, 03:03:41 pm
Rarely do fan fits become better than the original story. It's subject to changes or wish fulfilment.

Is it possible? So far ghost in the shell: Stand alone Complex surpasses the original Manga and I dare say even the film adaptation. But the difference there is a huge team.

I believe if someone who is skilled, passionate, but also has a neutral team that knows how writing works, then I'm sure it's possible.

But I doubt anyone would ever dedicate that much time on make fan fiction. Fanfiction is the deviant art of writing.
GIT:SAC was fanfic? I though that was done by pros?
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Lumaria on June 10, 2016, 04:33:56 pm
I Don't differentiate pros with fans because some fans are pros and some pros aren't fans.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Orchid on June 12, 2016, 07:13:30 am
I guess it was a dumb question. But I was really curious if anyone remembered reading a fanfiction hat actually did surpass the original.

It doesn't have to be manga.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on June 16, 2016, 06:44:11 pm
I Don't differentiate pros with fans because some fans are pros and some pros aren't fans.
Everyone else does though.
A pro is a professional whether they love something or not they do a professional job.
A fan just loves something.

It is like suggesting there is no difference between football pros and football fans. Plenty of the pros love foot ball like the fans do.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Lumaria on June 17, 2016, 01:04:35 am
My main point is this. A professional writer doesn't always write professionally. They can create their own indie projects and be a fan of it.

A fan is limited to being called fanfiction, but doesn't speak about how welll they wrote or how they handle the story.

Your analogy doesn't work for many reasons. Mostly because their profession is based mostly by their physical capacity. And their profession isn't a piece of work, it's a sport.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Orchid on June 18, 2016, 01:51:49 am
Well I guess my question is answered. I'm not really trying to make a huge thing out of it.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Ayeballknees on June 21, 2016, 04:37:31 pm
I loved all the Twilight fanfix better than Twilight itself. I'd compile them into a 25 Shades Of Edward, 25 Shades Of Jacob colection
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Crackhead Johny on October 06, 2018, 06:01:13 pm
Never.
"Read my fanfic!" pretty much tells me what level a "writer" is at. It hurts to even use the term "writer" when it comes to fanfic creation.

The fanfic I see are:
1. I want to wank to the characters in X, so I'm going to write bad **** about them!
2. I can't come up with a universe.. or characters.. but I think I can come up with a story if I steal someone else's universe/chars!
3. I wanted the episode/movie to go this way, so I'm going to write that!
4. I worship this so much, I need to write about it, so I can add myself as a character! I'm going to be so cool!
5. I'm going to combine 1 and 4!

Generally just about all of it is cringe worthy/sickening.
You just want to cry when you find they have been sending their "ideas" to the creator for some time... or even better when the fanfic writer says the creator should no longer be allowed to write about those characters because the fanfic writer's stuff is so much better.

If you are fresh to writing and cutting your teeth on fanfic as it allows you to work on just a part of writing, that is fine but you probably do not want to show your stuff to to many people and you most certainly want to get out of fanfic ASAP.
Honestly, I respect the **** writers the most when it comes to fanfic.
This guy is totally wrong and I can prove it.

When you go to the movies this summer an awful lot of the offerings you will have to choose between are FANFIC. Did you love the latest Avengers movie but didn't care for teh comics? Well then the fanfic is better than the original.
We like to stereotype fanfic as "I'm writing this furry anal-vore Star Trek story with me as the Marty Stu main character, it is going to be awesome!" but fanfic is really just one person taking another person's characters and/or universe and deciding to set their story with it.
While some reboots like The Thing are so unrecognizable when compared to the original, most reboots are not just recycled plagiarism they are also fanfic.
Game of Thrones is now Game of Fanfic, sure it has suffered for it but we still get more episodes even if we now have to spend a lot of time yelling at the TV and facepalming.
Does Joss Whedon want to be called a fanfic writer while he rolls around in his billions? I doubt he cares.. because BILLIONS.

So in conclusion: not only can fanfic surpass the source material it can lead to a high paying job that makes you famous.
Title: Re: When does a fanfic surpass the story it's based off?
Post by: Tara on December 28, 2018, 11:36:38 pm
I think a good example of this would be how youtubers like to make "abridged" dubs over TV shows. There are a surprising amount of situations where I find I'm objectively more entertained by their interpretation than by the actual series itself. I learned about the entire story of starwars through the lego star wars video game on the PS2 because I had no interest in watching the movies and I didn't find them entertaining. Now that example is technically a professional interpretation of another proffesional's work but the point is the same.

If there is room for improvement in a story, I think it's possible that fans could potentially cover those weaknesses and re-write it better. I personally don't read written fan fiction but I'm personally not fond of literature at all. But I think they get a bad rep because they're typically only produced by children and people who don't have entrepreneurial personalities. By that I mean most people would rather put hard work and dedication and their skills into something they can liquidate or make money off of.