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Title: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on August 17, 2016, 01:20:01 pm
Let's have a regular chat , shall we ?

After a few days of intense meditation , I now feel so close to Yoda-kun again . Always maintaining a constant cool temper helps so much with my already stressful life ... and my appetite .

Oh , I had plans to make a dump thread on artists I watched/followed/faved on Pixiv (and Tinami later on) , as an assurance . Anyone here want it ?

And also , this thread lacks attention (http://mangamavericks.createaforum.com/tips-and-tutorials/the-big-fat-thread-of-assorted-helpful-links) ... *sob*
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 17, 2016, 03:28:56 pm
Sorry I haven't contributed much to the helpful links thread; I've been relatively busy with stuff now that I'm in college again and dealing with the usual day to day things like "why did they give me three classes back to back that are all across campus from each other with ten minutes to get between each one?"
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 17, 2016, 09:24:10 pm
I agree that thread does lack attention. But I haven't been able to find good helpful links. I see it already has really helpful links.

I've been crazy busy lately and I plan on stepping it up a notch with the forum soon.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 18, 2016, 02:10:40 pm
Update: the back-to-back classes across campus weren't as bad as I thought they'd be. Sadly, I am quite piled with homework most days and working on the cosplay show I'm helping with by night, and of course once my club gets up and running, there will be those events, and to top it all off, I must get back into practice with my religion. I'm still aggravated with Housing giving me the runaround about whether or not I can have a candle on my altar or not, but for now I'll leave it off; I'm not so zealous as to ignore why their skittishness exists.

Luckily, it looks like there are some narrative assignments on the horizon (surprise, I'm actually majoring in the English department), so I might have some works to share here eventually. But, school before fun. <I say, taking a break between readings.>
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 18, 2016, 07:44:37 pm
I've been busy with my own projects. I've been talking to a new agent about a new work. So I'm excited about that. But for now I'm just writing it out. I have a habit of not completing a it until the last possible moment so I should probably work on it more.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on August 20, 2016, 01:09:50 pm
Ah , my country did not win enough medals in the Olympics to garner free holidays from my boss ... damn .

It's okay though if you weren't able to contribute something to that thread . Take your time in finding something , but I'd be thankful if it's writing-related (it's severely lacking in it) .

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Oh , I had plans to make a dump thread on artists I watched/followed/faved on Pixiv (and Tinami later on) , as an assurance . Anyone here want it ?
Still anticipating ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 20, 2016, 04:18:13 pm
I think you should do it. I'll definitely look into it.


Also my biggest problem with Olympics is probably anticipation for it. It just comes up randomly and I just don't care for most of the events or competitors. I don't know own what they judge by and I usually just watch the swim and track events.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 21, 2016, 02:22:55 pm
I would also like to see a thread like that. Go for it!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 22, 2016, 04:37:57 pm
Has anyone felt sick? Every now and then I get sick. My stomach and head hurt and one of my eyes hurt. It really bothers me and then once I sleep it off, I feel perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 23, 2016, 07:49:45 am
Ugh, I know the feeling. First year here in college, my allergies flared up because I wasn't used to the environment. That knocked me right to bedridden with a headache so bad I could hardly see straight.

Feelsbadman.jpg

Oddly, though, due to a self-diagnosed case of emetophobia, my body is physically unable to vomit since age six after a terrible bout of the stomach flu that hospitalized me. I don't remember anything from that time, other than an IV in my arm, and ever since, I cannot even stand to be around someone else vomiting, to the point of sweating like mad and having a rapid heartrate. I don't even feel like sympathetic vomiting; I just have to get the hell out of there, stat.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on August 23, 2016, 11:15:39 pm
Has anyone felt sick? Every now and then I get sick. My stomach and head hurt and one of my eyes hurt. It really bothers me and then once I sleep it off, I feel perfectly fine.

Wow I wish I could just sleep it off. I only get sick when I stop taking care of my nutrition. With steady vitamin C and D, my immune system can handle anything. But when I do get a cold the symptoms go away so slowly I have to take some kind of medicine. I could have a runny nose for almost 2 weeks straight, but one Ibuprofen will clear me up for a whole day.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 24, 2016, 01:36:58 pm
Well I just felt nauseous. I was having a headache, stomachache.

But it comes and goes. It's not something that I can say is a sickness like the cold or flu. Just a horrible feeling for an instant.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on August 26, 2016, 12:36:36 pm
First , my line went "kaput !" , and then it was my keyboard . What's next , my left arm again ? What luck I've got ...

I'll get to erecting an e-gallery for the pixiv artists I've followed . But for now , I've got to put one particular topic that needs to be highlighted that seemingly a lot of people here disregard it a lot .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 26, 2016, 04:19:10 pm
I think non-mecha science fiction gets disregarded IMO. I never see a science fiction anime or manga without mechs.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 28, 2016, 11:49:06 am
I'm going to have to disagree on account of Steins;Gate and Ergo Proxy.

But, anyway, my college adventures continue as my friends designated me to be the PR person for our cosplay group online and I experienced some spiritual growth for where my path is headed, and I come to realize that alcohol just makes me tired.

Not all in the same day, of course, but yeah. Today I'll just be catching up on weekend homework and washing clothes and general cleanup getting-my-sh—t-together things.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 28, 2016, 03:28:45 pm
Ergo Proxy is pretty old and not that we'll known among most anime fans.

I suppose if there was a manga or anime genre that isn't well known, by default I imagine that it would be wild western manga.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 08:16:20 pm
Just checking in. It's been a little quiet but I don't mind too much. But just trying to stay alive for now. How's is everyone?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 29, 2016, 10:38:03 pm
Schoolwork. Picky professors. Dying.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on August 30, 2016, 11:04:38 am
Watched Maze Runner (I'm very sure it wasn't the first one) and boy it's pretty good , despite the use of the whole zombie apocalyptic trope . Just proves that it doesn't matter if you're using cliche stuffs , if you do something else more with it , you're good .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 30, 2016, 04:06:04 pm
Oh yes. I saw both movies. They were pretty good. I get shamed for liking the movies.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 01, 2016, 10:33:41 am
I was recently in a car accident. Scariest moment of my life.


Edit: I'm ok by the way. But now my car is in the shop.  Hope everyone is doing fine.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 02, 2016, 11:26:46 pm
I'm glad you're ok. Car accidents can be a serious thing. My mom was in a car crash and ended up in therapy. Took her a month to touch a car again.

I've been so busy with projects lately but I come in every now and then. I hope everyone is doing ok.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 03, 2016, 03:38:52 pm
Thanks. I went to the chiropractor today. I'm good and healthy. But now all I have to do is take care of my car.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 05, 2016, 06:03:13 pm
It's been very quiet here but it's good to have a break. Where I live it's labor day so I have a day off. Decided to go out and eat with some friends.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 06, 2016, 06:49:56 pm
I've been recuperating and making sure I don't pull anything. I had to work today because I was authorized only one sick day (can you believe that) but I managed.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 08, 2016, 07:36:06 pm
I'm glad you've been feeling better. Sorry I haven't posted kuch. Lately it's just been us
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 10, 2016, 12:23:10 am
That's ok. I need time to work stuff out since the accident anywaus. But I'll be keeping an eye out.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 11, 2016, 12:14:06 pm
While me , I've (almost) recovered from the injuries sustained from an accident , an accident that I couldn't even remember .

I must've gotten knocked out cold upon happening ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 11, 2016, 01:33:57 pm
Oh wow! I hope you recover soon. I know how scary it is to have injuries and not remember at all.  Everyone is getting in accidents lately.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 11, 2016, 11:38:13 pm
It's so strange how everyone is getting hurt in accidents. I haven't gotten in an accident yet but I'll be extra careful. I hope everyone is okay.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 12, 2016, 11:19:40 am
Well , mine was 3+ months ago and it was my life's first . It's not that recent , so I'm stumped by the fact that it still hasn't recovered ... yet . Does a fractured bone take that long to heal -_- ?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 12, 2016, 02:50:14 pm
Oh I have absolutely no idea. But I imagine it would take a long time.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 14, 2016, 07:10:12 pm
Just finished another anime yet again. I may have too much time if I can pull overnight binging for a week.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 15, 2016, 09:49:55 pm
I was watching card captors on DVD. I heard this version of the anime was the worst for localization.

But I think it holds up. Sometimes fans get too upset.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 17, 2016, 10:36:06 am
That's because it was a shojo manga that wanted to break all the rules. Girl in love with teacher but teacher is actually in love with her brother and her cousin is into her.

It's a good manga for shojo but I didn't think cardcaptors was that bad either. At least for a Saturday morning cartoon.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 19, 2016, 01:39:21 pm
Meep
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 19, 2016, 06:58:14 pm
It looks like we getting more members. Im currently still busy with projects. But I decided to rework my Terra Stregada into two chapters now.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 21, 2016, 06:59:05 pm
Oh I was so upset that today I was given mandatory overtime even though today was my early day!

The next paycheck better look significantly better than my regular ones.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 23, 2016, 11:12:47 pm
I've been working non stop the past few weeks. My brain is usually very active at night but recently my brain has been fried and just wants more sleep.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 25, 2016, 03:10:22 pm
It probably is related to the season change too. I've been sleeping than usual.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 26, 2016, 03:06:49 am
It could be but I don't think so. I haven't been eating well either.



Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Unkawaii on September 26, 2016, 11:18:15 am
I'm not dead!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 26, 2016, 02:43:18 pm
Welcome back. I'm not dead either.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on October 01, 2016, 03:14:19 am
Me three (too busy) .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 07, 2016, 06:41:24 pm
There was a food event where I lived. I was having a good time. I tried so many foods from different cultures. I didn't think there was foods more fattening outside US
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 09, 2016, 03:13:00 pm
I think a county fair is going to happen soon too since it's fall but I don't think I'll go. If I do its with family most likely. They decided to come visit me.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 09, 2016, 06:02:04 pm
I have to wait until Springs for my state fair. I hope you have a good time if you go!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on October 11, 2016, 08:57:18 pm
Yes, as seen by my recent activity, I too have not perished horribly in some freak accident. Although today a very spiteful holly tree by my dorm decided to prick my finger while I stood up from sitting in the shade. My thumb actually bled for a bit.

In other news, some life updates include that I am now the guardee of a guardianship, and my guardian has been astronomically helpful in my dealings with personal problems.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 12, 2016, 12:22:09 am
Oh I'm glad things are working out for you Hemato. I'm sorry about your thumb. Now that you mention it, I don't ever remember getting hurt on my thumbs. I even fell on glass and I'm sure only my palms got cut. (Rambling )

Welcome back.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on October 12, 2016, 12:30:50 am
Thank ye. Glad to be back. My four classes tomorrow will be my last ones for four days. It may only be two days and a weekend off, but that's still over half a week and I'm taking it. Midterms just made everything so ech around here; everybody deserves a break.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 12, 2016, 12:52:04 am
Of course! Enjoy your break!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 14, 2016, 03:30:04 am
Welcome back HematoLogMeIn

It's great to see you again. I been busy too. Hopefully things die down during the holidays.

I actually finished yet another season of an anime on Netflix so I'll cover that soon.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 14, 2016, 07:27:29 pm
Welcome back to you too Lumaria. I was wondering where you been. I been just lurking around lol.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on October 16, 2016, 06:35:48 pm
"Fall Break" was deceptive. It wasn't much of a break at all.

At the very least I spent all of it at a friends place and wound up watching most of K-Project, but that doesn't account for the productivity that I had hoped for. I'll probably slip back to being sparsely active until Winter Break, when we have an entire month off just about.

Also, yeah, hey Lumaria. It did seem a little like this place was active without me, but in my catching up I did notice you were a little absent for a while. Even though this is more like a "hi—bye" message...Hi.

And bye...Onto the horrors that compose midterm exams.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 17, 2016, 05:34:31 am
Sorry aboutbthat. I'm still around. I've just been busy with a certain project. Other than that I'm still here. I just not making topics as much as I'd like.

I think that's probably because I've had issues with how society creates their own First World Problems. Things such as non-binary gender preferences and 3rd wave feminism. I can't write a story like I used to without being too behind on the times and that's just annoying.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 17, 2016, 12:26:03 pm
My YouTube recommendation feed is full of those first world problems. I can't get away from it no matter how much I try to remove them.


I hope it works out. Come by more often!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on October 17, 2016, 12:52:53 pm
Still trying to get another mega-thread out here ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 17, 2016, 11:57:41 pm
What happened to that one topic you wanted to create where we should all the works we liked. Something similar to that fantasy thing that Tara showed off early on? I think that could be a mega thread.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on October 18, 2016, 11:07:12 am
Yup , that's what I'm trying to get it up right now , but I've been hitting one snag after another during the process . So , I'll just start off small first ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 19, 2016, 12:15:25 pm
Sounds good. I'll be watching for it!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 20, 2016, 10:13:49 pm
I was watching the original X files and I can't remember why I was so scared of this show. I remember more alien related stuff but I'm seeing is super cheesy.


I laugh at it now. Anyone have the old x files where they live?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 21, 2016, 04:48:44 pm
No x files for me but I don't watch all that much TV recently.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 22, 2016, 11:33:20 am
Happy Saturday everyone!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 23, 2016, 12:11:24 am
I used to play an online social game ...I disappeared for a while and I went to go back and see how it's like. Most of my friends have mood on and it felt bittersweet. Sweet because they moved on to more important things and bitter because I miss them. So I decided to move on for good and just delete my account. 

How is everyone else doing? Busy?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 23, 2016, 02:10:44 pm
Busy like usual. Happy Saturday.


I always wanted to play those social games but was always too afraid I would get sucked in.

Today I bought pumpkin pie! Saving it for a get-together with some friends. Hope everyone has a great sunday.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 28, 2016, 04:37:18 pm
I hey everyone I'm on vacation today. I won't be back until monday. Sorry if I miss any introductions. I'll get to them ASAP if we gain newcomers
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on October 30, 2016, 07:52:55 am
Speaking of newcomers, we only have 28 members total. Most of which are most likely gone.
The site needs to get more plug.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on November 01, 2016, 04:17:51 am
I'm back from vacation. I agree.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on November 01, 2016, 08:19:59 pm
Yeah things have gone very busy for me. It's hard to come in when I have work.  When I get done I'll be here more.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on November 04, 2016, 11:41:19 am
It's around this kind of time of year where my day job becomes pure hell . So , expect most others who're working to be on the same room as me .

And as for me , I'll be uber busy (more like too tired to be online) right about now . The first festive sale for the shop I'm working in is on and the next one follow suit right after that next month . But I'll get to posting something whenever I can .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on November 08, 2016, 01:38:30 pm
Okay , free for about two days . Time to get to the mega thread promoting artists from Pixiv !
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on November 08, 2016, 05:42:20 pm
Sounds like a plan! I just been so busy with my own projects and they take cover of my livelihood.

Other than that. I can't wait for this election to be over. Whoever it'll be, I won't be happy
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on November 14, 2016, 06:34:45 am
Testing ...

不老少女と魔法教授

EDIT : Sweet ! This site liked it . No alterations needed .

About the elections , though I'm not from the US , better Trump than Hillary , but they're both horrible anyways .

If I were to vote , I vote for change . If party A isn't doing their job , I'd be voting for party B . As (or more on rare cases) sucky the representative of the party I'm voting for is don't matter , if anything , voting for the opposition is like voting for a change (it might also give the ruling party a wake up call in reality) .

USA as it is (based on news and reports I've been exposed to) is an utter mess and totally in pieces . Same can be roughly said for my country too ...

EDIT : Now where do I put the mega thread at once I'm ready , Orchid ?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on November 17, 2016, 01:32:13 am
My job has me constantly listening to people talk about this. I know it sounds crazy but I agree that better trump than Hillary but we didn't have great options. And for some reason some of the better choices dropped out.

If you want to add in a mega thread I don't think you need to wait for permission. We're still at the beginning stage. Holidays and work have kept me extremely busy.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on November 17, 2016, 12:08:34 pm
And for some reason some of the better choices dropped out.
Perfectly shows what USA had become lately . EU nation will be next after that , from what I've heard (or it's already happening) ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on November 17, 2016, 07:30:32 pm
The process of having commander and chief for an entire nation is insane in my opinion. UK will last in my opinion. But who knows what will happen.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on November 18, 2016, 03:01:37 am
Rather that than to have a sole dictator running his/her country his/her way like Kim Jong-un ...

I remember watching a video of a 'conflict'-like issue currently ongoing between immigrants and locals in an EU nation . I'll have to find it again to illustrate the severity that calls for a vote for change .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on November 30, 2016, 11:28:05 pm
Sorry for being gone for almost a month.


I was hospitalized due to a severe accident and took physical therapy.

Additionally whenever I tried getting on, the site acted like it didn't work. But when I tried on a different laptop, it worked. It's very strange to me.

I'm back tho. Still busy time of the year. And tysm Angelus for making the thread. I will follow it and maybe post some of my own if my laptop allows it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 01, 2016, 11:44:31 am
Why is everyone here getting into accidents ...

That happened to me once in a while . Probably the site provider is doing something on his/her end .

I still don't know where I should put it though . Maybe an entire new section ? I might put up a suggestion on this ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 01, 2016, 06:11:56 pm
i was visiting family, and did something reckless with my cousins. its embarrassing, so i wont talk about it.

You can put your list in the Workshops if you like. Although do you want it to be juts your personal list, or do you want it to be a hub-thread for everyone to post?

if you want it just your personal thread, i can make a section dedicated to posting your interests. i'll have to think of a name for it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 03, 2016, 09:35:55 am
I think it's best that you each open your own personal list as well to avoid incoming mass duplicates of favorite artists . Also , it's a neat way to gauge one's taste level and personal preferences .

Not really a sub-thread , nor a whole section dedicated to only me (that's very selfish) is what I had in mind , more like a whole section that is only accessible by members , with extra requirements added as well . This came to mind when I made that mega-thread because I feel like what's happening in any imageboard site might happen on this site - people just skim through , hook on whatever that is nice and possibly use them for anything considered 'undesirable' by the original owners of said images .

This is why I don't upload the actual image quality and size unless it's directly linked from the artist's portfolio , but that doesn't have much effect as well because they still don't care :/ . I might resort to thumbnail or icon size instead ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 03, 2016, 10:45:32 am
i understand what you are saying. i will think of a name of the section where people can post their favorite artists/art.


Its going to be nearly impossible to track every single post once this site gets popular. So we should be practical too on what people can do.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 10, 2016, 10:44:04 am
It seems like we've got a guest or two popping up regularly on this site . Who could that be ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 10, 2016, 03:10:02 pm
I'm not sure. I really don't pay much mind to it. I did think it was someone from create a forum just making sure everything here is within policy.

But other than that, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 11, 2016, 06:29:19 am
*Guests viewing Palpis Profile*

Hmm ... maybe , maybe not . Whatever it is , when I started the mega-thread , guests start popping up every now and then ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 12, 2016, 06:05:12 am
It seems like we've got a guest or two popping up regularly on this site . Who could that be ...
Probably me. I check this site without logging-in every now and then.
BTW, you should post more at MR - because your sig (:
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 12, 2016, 07:58:52 am
Ah , so it was you .

MR huh ... I did post there recently and immediately (again) I've encountered "mystical" beings ... the ugly and odd kind (2 of them , to be precise) . I'm not so inclined to post anything there for now after the encounter .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 12, 2016, 11:05:10 am
But the one checking someone's profile isn't me XD

Anyway, don't you guys think that Entrance Hall > General Discussion, Communal Avenue > The Tavern and Coffee House are just the same? They need to merge to GD. Too many sections are confusing and regardless of the topic, the all look like for GD anyway.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 12, 2016, 12:37:19 pm
I do agree that the 'General Discussion' isn't needed and the contents , some can be integrated to either 'The Tavern' and the rest can go to 'Coffee House'

The Tavern is more like casual drunk talk . You can blabber about anything that isn't serious and discuss thing in a non-serious manner . It's also a place for you to rant hard .

Coffee House is more for serious talks - politics , gender equality , racism , etc. , you name it .

That's what I see , in my opinion .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 12, 2016, 08:47:41 pm
Ok. I guess that's a better idea.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 13, 2016, 07:32:12 pm
The General Discussion was  meant to talk about anything forum-related. The TAvern and Coffee Shop are two separate areas and i think they need to remain separate. i'll think about the general discussion thread.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 13, 2016, 08:03:29 pm
OK.
...
By chance, I caught a guest registering... but there wasn't a new member D:
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 14, 2016, 12:23:35 pm
Maybe we're too 'intimidating' ...*snort*

I'll be uber busy up to a week after New Year - Festive Sale in the place I'm working at (My back hurts ...) . The mega-thread will be on hold .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 14, 2016, 11:39:14 pm
Just a speculation, maybe they get problems with registering.
ex: createaforum being buggy, unsent mail confirmation, etc. :V

Happy ho-ho-ho-holiday!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 16, 2016, 12:55:17 am
I hope that's not the case.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 17, 2016, 01:33:15 pm
(Crawls out from the depths of college and hell from whence I have been sorely devoured)
Hhhh...I return. I'm staying with a friend over winter break while working part time at a fast food joint in my college town.

Admittedly, I've been doing some soul-searching along the way. I haven't exactly found myself, but I've found the path to start getting there. Ugh, I'm already tired of adulting.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 17, 2016, 02:27:20 pm
Honestly, doing something new always had me doing some soul searching. a new job, college. sometimes moving to a different type of apartment.

i personally don't think we ever stop trying to figure ourselves out. I'm glad you havent forgotten about us and I hope college gets easier.


i'm very worried at this moment because i think my email has been hacked. and i'm trying to find a way to get to it. it has very imporant things i was preparing for MangaMavericks. Hopefully it gets taken care of soon
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 17, 2016, 02:31:47 pm
Would now be a good time to make a Russia joke or is it too soon and generally inappropriate?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 17, 2016, 08:03:27 pm
Are we to evacuate createaforum soon? XD
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 18, 2016, 07:25:13 am
Abandon ship ! Abandon ship !
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 18, 2016, 08:32:03 am
What? I'm not abandoning my ships! Shipper life forever!

But yeah no seriously I have almost gotten into a legit physical fight over some of my ships, but it's not as bad as my waifu laifu. I still jokingly say I'll pull a knife on my friend over Kirijo Mitsuru from Persona 3, but it's all in good jest.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 18, 2016, 12:28:11 pm
Nu-uh , any ship is bad ship ! Bad for me , badbadbad ! I'm checking out , pronto !

*Job calls*

... f*** my life ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 18, 2016, 12:30:38 pm
DeAngelus x job
confirmed canon.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 18, 2016, 08:57:54 pm
I caught another visitors.
One making registration but then there's no new member. There seems to be a problem. And the other one is lurking on Paipis' profile (yet again). Such mystery....
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 18, 2016, 11:36:43 pm
I don't know if you see but I do see someone. I'll bring it up with createaforum and see if there is anything I can do.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 19, 2016, 05:00:49 am
Oh yeah, I saw them the other day too. In fact, I see that a lot, where a guest looks like they're registering an account. I figure it's that they click the register but then sit there a bit and decide to not.

Ah, well, on to my 7am to 2pm waitressing. I am so not looking forward to it. My shoes are still pretty new.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 21, 2016, 06:46:22 pm
Odd....well we have one new person registered. If they state they had issues, that would make it clear.

The site running fine though.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 25, 2016, 01:58:11 pm
Okay so I was at work today, Christmas, and I was getting paid hourly to work the door basically, but you would not believe how many tables I cleaned up that only left the waiters a one dollar bill as a tip on a bill that had to have been at least fifteen bucks. Ugh, I am so disappointed in humans. A day of giving, that's supposed to be a holiday, and you still can't tip well?

Mother of the baby this sweet holiday is about--wait staff at my store gets paid only like $2.35 an hour I think, even on holidays (unless they pull a double shift). One dollar. On a fifteen dollar check. (Massive groan and eyeroll combo)

//endrant.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 27, 2016, 12:21:41 pm
Meep !
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on December 27, 2016, 09:33:05 pm
Sorry.
watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
watch?v=vBTfj2lN6sQ
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 27, 2016, 11:02:03 pm
Already saw those videos ages ago my dude.
Still getting paid less than three dollars an hour here.
Still need to get at least five dollars in tips every hour to be making minimum wage.

If you have a problem, take it up with my manager. It's not like I have some magical option as a server to get paid hourly and not accept tips.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 28, 2016, 07:56:43 pm
It's horrible. I don't know why we even have the tip system anyways.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 28, 2016, 08:56:31 pm
The first link Mr. Kanji-face dropped actually delves into that.

But yeah, it sucks. Especially since I work second shift most of the time, which is ridiculously slow in comparison to the other two shifts.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 29, 2016, 04:12:37 pm
I remember the first one. Not the second one. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on December 31, 2016, 09:17:38 pm
So, in case I'm not online when it gets to being midnight here, Happy New Year, mavericks!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on January 02, 2017, 11:24:59 am
Happy new years. Trying to catch up on everything I missed.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 09, 2017, 09:36:03 am
http://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv287305889?ref=rtrec&zroute=recent&tab=try&sort=view_counter&order=desc&tags=

Mad skillz in da werks , yo ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on January 09, 2017, 02:37:52 pm
Sadly I don't even know what's going on there because I don't have a niconico account. Then again, I don't make accounts on things like niconico or pixiv because a lot of it appears to be in Japanese, and I can't really navigate that all that much.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 10, 2017, 04:55:09 am
You don't really need to fret over the Japanese written words and the spoken language on both sites , like tags , descriptions and some few others as they're easily be dealt with with google translate most of the time . As you can see , I don't know Japanese and yet I'm able to browse through them without much trouble . Also , those two sites had the options of switching languages which looks like this :

(https://s27.postimg.org/45zcgl82r/untitled.jpg)

(https://s27.postimg.org/klovglasj/untitled_1_copy.jpg)

I also rely on the one pointed below to see what link goes to where if it does not get translated .

For Niconico , most of the streams are for public viewing , which means you don't have to register to view them . Only the ones with an icon on them (in red) are the ones that can't be viewed by unregistered users .

If registering is an issue , let me know and I'll help you with that .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on January 11, 2017, 12:23:16 am
I'll take a look into Nicole Nicole. I never knew what was on there so I never bothered. But now that I have an idea, It could be worth looking into.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 17, 2017, 07:56:31 am
"Nicole Nicole"

Auto-correct jokes XD .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on January 17, 2017, 03:09:26 pm
I tried so hard not to make a comment because I know the pain of auto co-wrecks...but I practically snorted too.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 18, 2017, 06:27:03 am
De "Dangerous" Angelus

Auto-correct's fault .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on January 21, 2017, 06:00:31 pm
Yah I just don't bother trying to fix auto correct anymore. It's super annoying. I remember it wasn't so invasive.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on January 21, 2017, 11:43:41 pm
Curiosity hits me so here's a random question.
What's the purpose of that "line" on the fabric on the upper thigh part.
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 22, 2017, 06:27:56 am
Yah I just don't bother trying to fix auto correct anymore. It's super annoying. I remember it wasn't so invasive.
I find it amusing though , to see what an AI perceive a non-English word to be as . My username and "Nico Nico" being a few of those .

If anything , it's "creative" .

Curiosity hits me so here's a random question.
What's the purpose of that "line" on the fabric on the upper thigh part.
Spoiler (hover to show)

I can't give a definite answer since I'm an alien and I'll make an early confession that I'm not a pervert on speed .

That line maybe is for nothing , other than it being a dividing boundary of sorts . Most women outfits tend to hide those above the line completely , only exposing the bottom rest of it . I know that some of those ... undergarment do come without the line , so maybe it's the maker's choice ?

Only the girls knows best about it , so I can be wrong .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 03, 2017, 11:06:31 am
Well , my day job workload got lighter now ... for now .

Just enough time to pop in here (dead tired) and maybe open up a discussion topic on something ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on February 03, 2017, 01:22:24 pm
Same actually, except now I have a lot of homework to catch up on as well as a few other personal projects. Thank the gods, too. They had me on full-time hours while I was a full-time student for those first couple of weeks and just adjusted it. Talk about exhausting.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on February 04, 2017, 03:59:24 pm
For a second I almost thought I got hacked. I couldn't log into any of my emails for almost a week. Good news I wasn't but I took extra measures to protect my info.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 20, 2017, 09:21:53 am
This site now is officially under attack by spambots . Time for E-exorcism , admins .

Delete and ban away !
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on February 20, 2017, 03:01:46 pm
I don't see much outside of a certain new thread, but I digress. We don't get much traffic, and those of us here I'm confident have more than enough brain cells to disregard such minor nuisances.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on February 20, 2017, 10:34:50 pm
I agree it can be a serious issue. I'm going to move it in the correct location. But if I see more spam like comments I will most art banning. It's a shame but it'll have to be done.

EDIT: I decided not to take chances and delete the thread. We have a no spam rule and a nice alternative. I also added just 1 week ban.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 21, 2017, 11:53:41 am
Impressions .

People will find a forum littered with spam posts and spambots not well cared for . They might see the mods and admins as lazy at keeping the site clean . I'm sensible enough not to click links provided by senders/posters I don't know of but not all are born with a decent brain though , so it may be hazardous in the long run if not taken care of .

Also from what I've recalled and experienced , captchas can only go so far when it comes to blocking such spammers (but it does cut down the frequency of it) . All it takes is for them to manually register and once they're in , they'll set the account to spam away . Which is why , spambots gets indefinite bans .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on February 22, 2017, 11:06:08 pm
If I see it again I will make an indefinite bam. But I just want to make sure it's not a bot. The posts have varied a bit. If it happens again it will be an indefinite ban. For these kinds of things I usually would ban the UP as well.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 25, 2017, 06:33:24 am
Good way to remind them to not 'drop and leave' on a forum in the near future . I understand and respect that decision of yours .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on February 25, 2017, 03:02:05 pm
If I see it again I will make an indefinite bam. But I just want to make sure it's not a bot. The posts have varied a bit. If it happens again it will be an indefinite ban. For these kinds of things I usually would ban the UP as well.

Did you mean the IP?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on February 26, 2017, 01:57:36 am
Yes. My mistake.

Today I went swimming with some friends. Had a blast until I had to get out lol.

Been working on a few things but I hate how I have no time. Full time job is really annoying me >_<
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 26, 2017, 05:15:48 am
And I thought it was OP ...

Best not IP ban . You might block out a complete innocent person from registering , maybe more than just one person ...

Let's not forget the ability to proxy as well ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on February 26, 2017, 09:51:39 am
These spammers usually do rely on proxy sites. In some sites can detect if they use proxies as well and blocks the ability to use them.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 26, 2017, 10:49:52 am
Indeed . Those alternative IPs produced by proxies may hinder the effectiveness of IP banning .

I lurked Mangaraiders a few days ago (I won't post anymore there indefinitely) and stumbled upon this thread (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,17522.msg277323/topicseen.html#msg277323) . Of course it's locked now , but before that there were lots of posts questioning the OP . But that's not what piqued my curiosity (I might make an advisory thread on spotting red flags in the business of collaboration) - this did (https://www.zovelia.com/) , mentioned by the OP .

Upon further digging or not even much for the red flag to be raised , the service page leaves an odd taste . Why would you pay for a spot in their publishing company ? Very sketchy ...

I might also want to open a megathread that lists all publishers that are not trustworthy like what AbsoluteWrite does for their fellow writers . But I think a regular thread will do , for now  ... the question is , where do I put it at ?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on February 26, 2017, 11:57:06 am
Noted. I will not IP ban indefinitely.

I'm sorry it didn't work out in that other forum.

The topic would go here. I decided to rename this the General "MM" Discussion to help clarify.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on February 26, 2017, 09:28:11 pm
Indeed . Those alternative IPs produced by proxies may hinder the effectiveness of IP banning .

I lurked Mangaraiders a few days ago (I won't post anymore there indefinitely) and stumbled upon this thread (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,17522.msg277323/topicseen.html#msg277323) . Of course it's locked now , but before that there were lots of posts questioning the OP . But that's not what piqued my curiosity (I might make an advisory thread on spotting red flags in the business of collaboration) - this did (https://www.zovelia.com/) , mentioned by the OP .

Upon further digging or not even much for the red flag to be raised , the service page leaves an odd taste . Why would you pay for a spot in their publishing company ? Very sketchy ...

I might also want to open a megathread that lists all publishers that are not trustworthy like what AbsoluteWrite does for their fellow writers . But I think a regular thread will do , for now  ... the question is , where do I put it at ?

That site looks like potential spam. Anyone serious about getting published would never go to such am obvious scam.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on February 27, 2017, 12:52:09 pm
Another reason I kinda like this forum, as quiet as it can be sometimes: it's not full of braindead zombies who would actually fall for that kind of thing. Maybe the age average is a little higher over here, or I dunno.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on February 27, 2017, 10:37:51 pm
I would hope so. That site screams virus.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 02, 2017, 04:49:00 am
Another reason I kinda like this forum, as quiet as it can be sometimes: it's not full of braindead zombies who would actually fall for that kind of thing. Maybe the age average is a little higher over here, or I dunno.
I know of younger people who're smarter than me in real life , provided they were offered the best education can offer . Otherwise , one has to learn things the hard way , like I did (my IQ is just above average) .

And that's where I have my concerns . There seems to be a major bloom of idiots that far outnumbers the smart ones .

@Orchid
"MM" ?

@Lumaria
Not that likely , but it is of a concern as well (unless one has that habit of clicking impulsively) . However , scamming is probably the site's main priority , it seems .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 04, 2017, 01:16:23 am
General MM Discussion. MM is short for Manga Mavericks.

This section will be anything related to what MM is about. What's going on with writing and drawing. The other two are odd topic but categorized into two different sections to help organize it better.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on March 07, 2017, 07:19:02 pm
I've been finishing up on some things and heard Beauty and the Beast is getting controversy and I can't help but say Disney deserved it.

They changing the plot and turning a character gay and promoting it to give themselves a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 09, 2017, 11:21:25 am
I've been finishing up on some things and heard Beauty and the Beast is getting controversy and I can't help but say Disney deserved it.

They changing the plot and turning a character gay and promoting it to give themselves a pat on the back.

I don't have a problem with it. But just like marvel looks like they doing it just for the money and controversy. Some of it sounds like paid drama. They were hoping this would be a problem and they looking to exploit it.

Just like Ghostbusters reboot.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 10, 2017, 06:36:03 am
Great . Firefox's no longer supporting XP users . I'm probably not going to be able to go online then ... or maybe not .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 10, 2017, 06:22:01 pm
Wow really? I don't use Firefox I use chrome.  How's everyone doing? Did anyone find anything interesting this week?


I been trying to catch up on anime and manga too. I'm not too interested in the Ghost in the Shell: Arise series from netflix. It's Not as good as  SAC.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 10, 2017, 11:18:11 pm
It's the last browser that still updates for XP users . Now that's gone too , I won't know how long it'll hold out under an obsolete windows . I'm still using Chrome but it's no longer getting updates for a year or two now for XP users .

My life's a boring one , so nothing interesting here .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 11, 2017, 03:36:50 am
I had to upgrade a few years ago but only because my last computer broke.  I hope things work out with XP
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on March 11, 2017, 06:57:25 am
I've been using XP ever since and just changed to win7 this year.
I also use both FireFox and Chrome that time and even though they don't get  updates anymore, they still worked fine for me.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 12, 2017, 11:52:06 am
I've been using XP ever since and just changed to win7 this year.
I also use both FireFox and Chrome that time and even though they don't get  updates anymore, they still worked fine for me.
I hope that it'll remain so . Right now , I'm saving money on upgrading my PC just so my Photoshop don't choke when used for too long . Also , I need more space for all of my movie and song clutters ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on March 14, 2017, 12:53:36 am
Looks like there is someone out there dedicating spam the forum. I know it could be a bit but it makes no sense to do it the exact same way.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 14, 2017, 07:28:24 pm
I hope it doesn't grow into a huge spam issue. So far it's a small annoyance. Sorry for the delay, how was everyone's weekend?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 24, 2017, 11:57:20 pm
Well , my phone line just came back . Thank goodness !
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 25, 2017, 02:53:38 am
Welcome back! It's been kind of quiet here. I think things got a little busy the past month. How are you?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 27, 2017, 11:45:55 am
Considering that there's only a total of 28 members (not counting spambots) , I'm not that surprised that it's quiet . But it's not worth worrying about for now because this site's still new .

And as usual , work busy ... but I'm glad it's not 'festive'-level of busy .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 28, 2017, 07:58:55 pm
It has been pretty slow. Life just keeps getting busier.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on March 30, 2017, 01:12:33 am
There are times I couldn't access sites that I usually go and are normally accessible like smackjeeves, mangmavericks, etc. I'm getting the chrome's "This site can’t be reached" Sometimes FireFox can access them but some sites just can't be accessed by both.

Is it just my browsers/internet connection or it happens to you guys too?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on March 30, 2017, 09:26:06 am
I'm no expert at this . However , I had that tendency to try ways to bypass any problem I'm in and having issues accessing sites is one of it . MangaMavericks at times is next to inaccessible but one day , I accidentally left my proxy plugin on while accessing it and it worked somehow . Turning it off afterwards however made the site nearly inaccessible again .

Maybe it's because of the local line , maybe it's not . But there's no harm in trying what I did and see if it works .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on March 30, 2017, 09:31:59 am
I never had this problem. But I also check the site every other day. I think I was having issues in the beginning but nothing too serious.

Edit: I recently bought the lupus pro pen and pad so I can start drawing again. I can't wait around for my resources.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 30, 2017, 08:15:44 pm
I did a one week ban on a member not too long ago. We suspected they were a bot. I am positive that I didn't ban the IP. But if you are using a proxy, that may be the reason.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on March 30, 2017, 11:34:20 pm
I'm not using a proxy so I guess it's just my ISP acting up.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on March 31, 2017, 02:19:44 am
Very strange. I come on almost every day. I have yet to see any hiccups. Let me know if it becomes more consistent.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on April 01, 2017, 05:53:34 am
It's a selected area kind of hiccup . Just by changing my IP for others from other country fixed it . But like you said , it's less frequent already as of now .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 03, 2017, 09:35:26 pm
On morrecent news I am still having a very difficult time with my drawing tablet for my computer. The texture of the tablet and the pen just feel unnatural. I can like things up most of the time but I can't rotate the drawing and draw from there like others have been doing.

I still prefer drawing with pencil and paper.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on April 04, 2017, 05:44:57 am
Tablets for artists aren't 100% perfect replica of the traditional kind , regardless how much they tried to . So even if they stated that it's replicating the environment that a traditional pencil and paper would , it does not mean it'll be like one ... and these types are usually very , very expensive , especially if you want the ability to rotate your canvas .

I still use Bamboo - the basics of basics . Although it's a very unfamiliar thing to be used for a traditional like me , repetitive use of it may help overcome it . However , different people had different rate where they'll get used to it and for me , it took about 2-3 months .

Edit : The best it can get is close but not exactly .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 04, 2017, 04:14:20 pm
I can rotate it but my hand eye coordination isn't the best. I rather draw traditi9nal most of the tine. Things are much more nattural.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 05, 2017, 07:26:03 pm
Our spammer is back at it again. This time he's posting on other people's post. If it gets out of hand I'll take care of it.

As for drawing on compiter. I tried it once it's very difficult. Just like De Angelus said, it will never be able to replicate the feel of actual pen and paper.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on April 11, 2017, 12:42:19 pm
Our spammer is back at it again. This time he's posting on other people's post. If it gets out of hand I'll take care of it.
The same Dragonball game promo . Does that still not scream spambot to you ?

I know that you don't want to simply ban an account for the fear of actually banning an active user using the said account but if it's doing that at their very first post and only that , you'd better permaban it unconditionally . I mean , if they are an actual 'living' user , I'm sure they would send you an e-mail on that matter requesting the removal of the ban . All sites does this with no repercussion of getting bad rep .

Also , the creation of the said account means that someone who wants to register under the same account ID may not be able to do so .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 11, 2017, 07:05:18 pm
I agree. Even if it's not a spambot, they should be fully aware of this conversation. They should already  know the rules if they aren't spambots.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 12, 2017, 09:04:37 pm
I originally wanted to give only one chance. The second time seemed like trying to change but I think I have been too passive at this point.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 14, 2017, 01:26:45 pm
I recently decided to watch Samurai Flamenco on Netlfix. I thought it was one of the worst anime out there.  The moment I was entertained, the story took a 180 and made no sense. Even the ending didn't feel earned.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 15, 2017, 08:55:17 pm
I actually haven't seen that show completely. I gave up on the first episode.


I watch Hulu for my anime now. Boruto is pretty entertaining so far.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on April 17, 2017, 02:26:10 am
Yikes. You guys have been up to some stuff.

Also don't kill me but I forgot this forum existed and I've been updated on my other two. Whoops.

To reply to a bit of earlier conversation which I loaded but then missed quite a bit of other conversation due to a weird glitch I guess:
Yeah, I'm a SAC girl for life. The live action did pretty well, though, despite being a box office flop. It's a shame. I feel like it's only that way because you have to understand GITS to understand the movie, and the references to other iterations of the franchise were glorious.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 17, 2017, 04:06:31 pm
*gasp* how could you!?

Yeah SAC is the best. Live action was a mixed bag for me.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on April 18, 2017, 01:01:33 am
Hmm...I'll have to think of a way to post some exclusive stuff here as an apology between all the papers I told myself I'd do over this break.

I won't lie about the live action. When the credits came on and I heard that drum hit, rest, bells, rest, and that familiar chorus of singers, I almost burst into tears.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 18, 2017, 09:51:57 am
Sometimes we all get too busy it's ok.

I saw the live action. It was ok but just like everyone else, I felt it could be better. A good ending and it's entertaining but it just feels like a cash grab. The movie was announced over 5 years ago andnothing they said about the plot carried over into the movie.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on April 18, 2017, 04:23:31 pm
Hmm...I never pay attention to movie announcements or what the news says about the plot or anything of the sort. I don't follow the development, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Maybe that plays a part in why I couldn't really find a problem with it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2017, 07:35:47 pm
Probably. Personally there's a difference between americanization and white washing. They had a chance to Americanized it but they didn't. They made it quite typical.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on April 19, 2017, 07:39:48 pm
It was a little Americanized, but there were definitely plenty of Japanese references. I wound up watching the movie in theaters with two of my friends who are both studying Japanese language and philosophy, and they were pretty impressed with it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "typical" though.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 20, 2017, 09:56:30 am
For me it reminds me of the early Hollywood movies where they are the chosen one. Like the matrix.

I think Scarlett made awkward faces and head movements but that's something I complained about her since the avengers.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on April 22, 2017, 11:01:37 pm
It wasn't a bad movie. It just didn't feel like it had the same complexity as stand alone complex or the manga.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 25, 2017, 08:51:36 pm
How is everyone? Busy days. Hate how little time I get lately. I think I'll get more free time soon though.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on April 28, 2017, 02:39:25 am
Finals for the next two weeks.
4-5 page paper due Friday (today for me) at 11 PM. all sources in the foreign language i'm taking courses in (Spanish).
I want a break...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on April 28, 2017, 03:18:02 am
Wow that's a lot. Is summer break coming soon?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on May 02, 2017, 02:13:15 am
Lately I been reading some of the older manga just to see what's out there. Has anyone read an older manga you recently discovered?

Additionally I sometimes read a manga and it sounds and feels off only to discover it was made outside of japan. I know that kind of thing may hit a sour note but it's just something I noticed.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 03, 2017, 02:56:39 pm
I was reading Reborn back when it was a gag manga. I am curious to seeing what kind of series it would've been if it stayed as a gag manga.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on May 06, 2017, 03:30:14 am
Ideas re reading Angelic Days. I noticed how back then the slice of life genre was really thriving or at least certain slice of life features.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 07, 2017, 07:50:44 pm
I'm i sometimes think like this too but I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on May 11, 2017, 12:04:40 pm
Bumping in to say hi for now . Now I had to juggle two jobs again , I find getting free time really difficult .

Still , I had not forgotten my promise to deliver something I had in mind before ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 13, 2017, 03:36:19 am
I'm still here too. I'll be patient!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on May 22, 2017, 08:01:44 pm
Bumping in to say hi for now . Now I had to juggle two jobs again , I find getting free time really difficult .

Still , I had not forgotten my promise to deliver something I had in mind before ...

It seems to be the most common trend. I'm currently fighting for a raise with my job.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on May 23, 2017, 12:40:58 pm
My monthly salary was fine until the local business decided to increase their products they're selling whenever the government issued an increase of raw goods but never goes down when the raw goods prices went down . Even eating a humble plate of fried rice here is like eating something from a high-end restaurant !

While my part-time job still helps in giving me extra money for safekeeping and emergency purpose , it's only a matter of time before that too couldn't bear the expenses . Also , it's highly unstable .
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 24, 2017, 01:17:14 am
Today I got a fever and had to sleep in.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on May 24, 2017, 11:02:48 pm
Has anyone heard of the Mexican cartoon short called Villainous? I saw it on YouTube  (because I don't have cable anymore) and was surprised how good it was despite being primarily in spanish.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 25, 2017, 11:32:25 pm
I saw it on YouTube just now. Pretty interesting. It does look like an older cartoon. Something like from adventures of Billy and mandy.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on May 27, 2017, 03:40:14 pm
I want to just say that if I decide to lock a thread I will mention it in my post from now on. Of you believe it was a mistake on my end please PM me and I will unlock it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on May 31, 2017, 08:38:01 am
I'm around, sorta. Had ridiculous living situations for a while and got booted out of work because they don't need as many people over the summer, and apparently I was the most expendable. I'm taking summer classes, so I should at least be able to post about the books I'm reading and how it may gear in with my writing.

I haven't forgotten you guys, I promise. I'm just trying to get stupid life things sorted out.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 01, 2017, 03:12:15 pm
That sounds very tough. I couldn't imagine getting laid off. I'm sure you'll find good work soon. Sort your life out first. I know some of us will always be here.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on June 08, 2017, 11:28:12 pm
Sometimes when professors need more room for updated versions of stuff, they'll leave their old books on a "free books" table in the English building. Today I scored big, with a 558-page German thriller novel (in German, not translated) and a 1972 (so probably a little outdated but still useful) sort of textbook-guidebook thing written in English about proper writing structures for German. Sadly, I have about 225 pages to read in one book for my literature class and then a five page essay due Monday, then a midterm for History of the English Language on Tuesday. Summer classes be crazy.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 09, 2017, 12:13:14 pm
I'm pretty busy myself. Jufglonf between my side job and main job. Trying to buy new furniture for my home. My other furniture is getting old and looks like it's about to break any second.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 13, 2017, 03:44:38 am
I was watching the e3 press conference all weekend so I've been a little distracted. There are a few games in excited about.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 26, 2017, 09:47:46 pm
Sorry I was gone for so long. I see things got heated. I hope I can cool things down. We definitely need more people. I'll have to figure something out as tensions rise.

I think we'll habe to do an active campaigne. Unfortunately a lot of forums out there aren't serious or jerks from what I jeard. So we have to do a bigger effort to make sure we can get more ppl. I know there are some people serious about writing and drawing.

Anyways how was everyone's weekend outside the forum?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 27, 2017, 11:37:33 am
I have had more free tome recently so I'll make some effort here again. I really want to make sure we get more people too. We do have regulars though. Just everyone lives busy lives.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 27, 2017, 07:34:23 pm
I'm glad we can work on this. Also I'll be reworking some rules so we make sure everyone is on the same page.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on July 15, 2017, 12:40:51 am
I have been working long and hard with my story and with constant reviewing of my own and others I had to take a break from both for a while. I thought we would get more busy if I left but it looks like it remained exactly the same. I gave my reviews in.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on July 15, 2017, 01:42:58 am
Been lazing around but I'm still here (:
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 17, 2017, 10:08:07 pm
Im obviously here too. I just got caught up in something. Lol.
Life doesn't give me a break.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on July 18, 2017, 10:29:12 pm
Has anyone worked so hard you pass out when you get home and even after taking a long nap it literally hurts to get up?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on July 19, 2017, 09:50:01 am
@Lumaria Not exactly like that, no, but I have bouts of depression that work more or less like sleep paralysis and I physically can't get up.

Welp, looks like I should be getting to work and posting things here again, since we seem to be alive now. College continues to kick my ass, so I don't have very much recent stuff to share. Might be a bit before I doodle something worth posting. I'll check my data, though.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 22, 2017, 12:49:41 pm
So i'm Going to be more in the background and see how things turn out for a while. More members means maybe more Rules. I just added new rules to a specific board.

Sidetrack: Anyone been watching the anime a Centaurs Life in Crunchyroll?  I actually really like it a lot. The main character is like half human half pony which is hilarious.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on July 26, 2017, 06:51:47 pm
I don't have crunchyroll but I'm questioning whether I should get that or VRV
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 27, 2017, 01:16:16 pm
It's free but I recommend paying the subscription. Less ads and no locked episodes.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on July 27, 2017, 02:44:44 pm
I personally hate Crunchyroll specifically because of the "locked episode" policy and therefore will refuse to pay for them on that principle. I'll just get my anime somewhere else and deal with ads.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 27, 2017, 04:35:22 pm
Yeah that does seem bad. I think they should just have mandatory subscription and be done with it. Not everything can be free and it's more annoying when it tries too hard.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on July 28, 2017, 09:13:39 pm
Just about everybody around me on this floor of the dorm was hooting, hollering, and screaming while loudly playing pop music, so I took out my stereo on max volume and tried "Dam Dadi Doo", "Caramelldansen", and "Rickroll" before finally settling on (parental advisory) this:
"Use Once and Destroy" by Psyclon Nine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlyBVfZc68)

...and, unsurprisingly, after that, they cut it out. I am victorious!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 29, 2017, 02:14:47 pm
Yeah college where there are dorms can get crazy. I personally never had a form but when I visited friends they would have the typical jock making loud noises.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on July 29, 2017, 02:40:07 pm
I have had many misadventures dealing with that kind of idiot. People like to go super flatfooted, stomping down the hallway enough to vibrate the floor of my room. Just last night, after the playing black metal to drown out their ridiculous not-even-"singing"-along, I poked my head out of my room to say, loudly enough to fill the lobby space, "If y'all could figure out how to walk without stomping, that'd be great."

Other times I just take advantage of the fact that I know how to do death metal deep growls and black metal power fries to shout at them. Most notoriously, to a group of girls in my dorm last year, I shouted "I TOO CAN BE LOUD" in the lower growl scream. They proceeded to spend the next ten minutes or so making fun of it and trying to mimic the scream and doing it incorrectly. I hope one of them lost their voice, lmao.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on July 31, 2017, 12:21:16 pm
Typical kids who left home for the first time and want to experience all the freedom with it. Obviously a phase and should burn out. But to me, Dorms are no different from apartments. If the landlord doenmsnt care we can hear all the shouting all across the conplex.


Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Unkawaii on August 02, 2017, 11:46:23 pm
Wow, just accidentally stumbled on this place in my bookmarks and... Didn't expect it to still be up and running. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 03, 2017, 12:04:55 am
Yeah we have a few more regulars. I remember you made some GFX do you still do those? I'd love to see more.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on August 03, 2017, 12:35:52 am
Wow, just accidentally stumbled on this place in my bookmarks and... Didn't expect it to still be up and running. I'm impressed.
You're underestimating us XD
Now go fetch us some new members! :v
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 03, 2017, 01:07:13 am
It's super small here. But the people who stay really enjoy it here (so I heard. No one has PM'd me at all about deal breaking issues recently).
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Unkawaii on August 03, 2017, 04:13:59 am
Aha, sorry Orchid. I haven't "quit" per-se, but I'm on something like a 2 year hiatus at this point. I've made some stuff in-between but it's far from my best work and I haven't done anything in months. Same goes for writing. I hope to get back into it at some point but real life's been a bit of a pain in the ass for a good while.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 03, 2017, 08:27:22 am
Ah, I know the feeling. Life likes to come around and kick me in the gut all the time. I can rarely do much for my personal hobbies unless I schedule it and work on it like, well, work. It's quite frustrating.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 03, 2017, 05:49:16 pm
We're all very busy. It sucks being an adult but we have to live with it. I really want to finish up my stories because I do have planned endings but I also get the least feedback as well in any forum so I don't blame that on any one person.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on August 04, 2017, 08:10:57 am
Not really back, but just to leave a note or two.

I've got no internet. I'm typing this from a cybercafe because my line had gone kaput due to backed payment.

I'm only here to take my story into my pen-drive just so I can do some more proofreading but again, work come first and in addition to that, I'm also resuming making one-shots. So this project, 'La Sanctum' is temporary shelved... partially.

And I'll get into responding once I get my line back. Until then, I'd be offline...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 04, 2017, 01:17:38 pm
Good luck with the internet situation, DeAngelus. Sorry to hear about it.

As for myself, it looks like I may finally be having a little bit of free time coming up. It won't be for very long, but I might be able to start posting things that aren't just comments. Yaaaay~
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 04, 2017, 08:48:29 pm
In glad you were able to let us know. I was getting worried especially after the last review. I hope to read more. I been caught up on in something myself but I'll be posting very soon
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 04, 2017, 11:01:29 pm
Not really back, but just to leave a note or two.

I've got no internet. I'm typing this from a cybercafe because my line had gone kaput due to backed payment.

I'm only here to take my story into my pen-drive just so I can do some more proofreading but again, work come first and in addition to that, I'm also resuming making one-shots. So this project, 'La Sanctum' is temporary shelved... partially.

And I'll get into responding once I get my line back. Until then, I'd be offline...

I'm sorry to hear about your internet situation. I hope it gets resolved soon. I was thinking about you and wondering how things have been. I hope you're doing ok. Message us whenever you have Wi-Fi connection.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 10, 2017, 01:36:12 am
It's been quiet recently. I'm still working on projects myself. Just curious how everyone is doing.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on August 10, 2017, 11:15:24 am
I just got moved into my new dorm and I'm still making sure that I have everything set up and together. The really fun part for this semester is that I'm finally going to have to deal with an indoor altar and trying not to set off the fire alarm b/c candles. Before you ask "why not LED battery operated candles?"--no. Those don't exactly work when you actually need the candle wax for stuff sometimes. The bigger problem still will be the incense. The religious sect I belong to strongly promotes a daily prayer with incense burning. It's a struggle.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 10, 2017, 05:11:13 pm
What religion are you if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 11, 2017, 12:11:13 am
I thought you already lived in the dorms. Or are you moving to dofferent dorms? I hope it works out. What kind of things do you use the wax for?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 20, 2017, 02:15:58 pm
It's been very quiet lately. If anyone is around let us know how you're doing? I'm sure some are lurking around
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 20, 2017, 08:59:50 pm
I'm still here. Must be a very hard time for everyone. I don't know if people still go to school but school recently started for highschoolers at least in some states in the US.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on August 21, 2017, 02:25:58 am
Still here... lurking around.
Maybe we need some project/activity here or something.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 21, 2017, 06:33:40 pm
I was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 22, 2017, 12:42:00 am
I was thinking of an amateur drawing contest. But I'm not really great at coming up with something everyone is willing to do. But if anyone has a good idea, that'd be great.

Perhaps a bi monthly (every other month) small contest of what we should draw.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on August 22, 2017, 11:27:40 pm
We'll be needing a prize for contest plus we don't have much members around. Maybe bi/weekly drawing/writing challenge.

I remember I joined a short-lived artist community years back, we had weekly challenges like crossover, thematic, pose/background challenge, etc. and the last challenge completely stopped at 'draw your OC's face/emotion chart' [1] (https://s27.postimg.org/rbmdvf3b5/image.jpg)[2] (https://s27.postimg.org/50yivg60x/image.jpg)[3] (https://s27.postimg.org/ems3bqx6p/image.jpg) because no one wants to draw faces repeatedly (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/284/529/e65.gif).

I don't know why I'm suggesting things when I know I'm lazy enough not to do challenges (http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/poopbucketxlove/chiyo%20dad%20emoji/BRxRU_zpsefed8990.gif)
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 24, 2017, 04:03:40 pm
I'm willing to make a art contest. But I definitely think we need more people to keep the momentum going. For every person participating, I'd like to see maybe 2 or more cheering the contestants on. If that makes sense.

Which is why advertising to other places is the most ideal thing right now. And of course sharing content.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 01, 2017, 06:00:13 am
And my line's back ... for now. I'll get to the ones I've missed when I'm out later on.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 01, 2017, 04:35:30 pm
Welcome back!!! I hope it lasts!!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 03, 2017, 07:38:12 am
I wish I could ... but I'm financially in the red as of now due to series of unfortunate events that involves digging my wallet completely dry. I may have internet for a good month, but I can't guarantee I may have it when the next month comes.

Until then, I've got to do lot's of catch-up on missed online 'business' before that happens ...
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 03, 2017, 05:20:07 pm
I'm sorry you're going through tough times. I hope things work out in also in some issues myself which is why I haven't been posting as much as I'd like. I'm gonna be around every now and then but still working on some things.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on September 04, 2017, 02:41:10 pm
Hopefully everyone else is ok too. Haven't heard from many of us.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 15, 2017, 07:20:53 pm
I am currently in a relationship and have been trying to make it work. Haven't been able to come by as often as I like but just stopping by.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on September 24, 2017, 10:56:19 pm
Out of curiosity, I copy and pasted random quotes/posts from this forum to google to see if we appear on the search results... NOT. I guess we're really obscured from the public.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on September 26, 2017, 09:23:22 am
Not surprising though. As different of a goal this forum is, a forum is a forum and there are millions of like ours.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on September 26, 2017, 01:31:24 pm
Had a rough week. Just got out of the hospital. But I'm out.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: DBNext on October 08, 2017, 10:56:02 am
Ouch. Hope you're doing better.

Been in depression/anxiety hell for the past 2 months, which is why I haven't been active. I'm doing better now. I can't say I'll be super active, but I'm back to checking in regularly. This is my final year in college, so things are a bit stressful.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 08, 2017, 04:51:24 pm
Yah i can see that
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on October 09, 2017, 07:27:54 am
Well fuk me, the entire chapter 4 of 'La Sanctum' has gone scrapped by mis-editing of post. Any way to revert it on your end, admin?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on October 09, 2017, 01:59:26 pm
Wow an entire 4th chapter? Can admins even undo something like that.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 17, 2017, 12:13:33 pm
Well fuk me, the entire chapter 4 of 'La Sanctum' has gone scrapped by mis-editing of post. Any way to revert it on your end, admin?

i'm sorry for responding so late. I looked into it and haven't been able to bring it back. i'm so sorry. i'm still looking just in case. but nothing is giving me the option of restoring any posts that were deleted.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on October 18, 2017, 01:29:03 am
Ah well, at least I still have a back-up unrevised chapter in my thumbdrive but I still prefer to have what I've revised before back. My memory retention's not as great as before thanks to my last accident, so I might forget key details that I've added or changed before.

I've seen some forum who had the ability (of sorts) to revert back post (or anything close to it). Does this forum had any means to do so? Like having edit history of sorts.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on October 19, 2017, 01:21:49 am
I have the ability to modify the post. But doesn't show me the history of the post itself. So I can't retrieve it. Maybe if it was archived I probably would have but this forum doesn't give me too much freedom on that. I'll still look into it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 06, 2017, 04:45:06 pm
So how has everyone been latrly?? Been a little quiet. Mostly because of work. But also just because I'm looking for alternatives to move this forum elsewhere.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on December 07, 2017, 03:12:02 am
I hope so too. This place hasn't given us the most freedom.

I've been busy. I was re-reading my Lunacy work. In the off chance that I gained new perspective on my writing style.

It seems to hold up a little but better than what I thought. I still need to write a lot more. I at least plan on finishing the "waxing moon" arc.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Unkawaii on December 27, 2017, 04:38:08 am
Heya all. Apologies for the most recent absence. Real life took over once again. Nice to see there's still a bump or two here and there. I'll be around but if anybody likes they can hit me up on Discord, just shoot me a PM for my ID. I'll peek back at least once a week to check in on the community!
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on December 29, 2017, 01:59:20 pm
Heya all. Apologies for the most recent absence. Real life took over once again. Nice to see there's still a bump or two here and there. I'll be around but if anybody likes they can hit me up on Discord, just shoot me a PM for my ID. I'll peek back at least once a week to check in on the community!

It has been forever since we last heard from you. It has been a little dead but I believe it's due to the holidays. Hope we get to see more graphics from you. You make great stuff.

I hope you had a great holiday.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on December 29, 2017, 10:57:06 pm
Everybody here got something to do in real life. So no worries, I'm also mostly absent myself.

Anyways, since it's my off-work today, I'm in the middle of checking/testing and cataloging links in the useful links thread.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on January 15, 2018, 01:18:01 am
You won't see much of me here anymore. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 15, 2018, 06:20:19 am
You won't see much of me here anymore. Unfortunately.

Something we didn't know of ?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on January 18, 2018, 12:37:17 am
^ Maybe because this site is barely breathing.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on January 20, 2018, 02:22:00 pm
The holidays have just passed and I still had some things to take care of. I'm currently preparing a completed story to share. Just fine-tuning it.


Although the goal of the forum is to improve our writing skills specifically intended for manga. Do any of you have anything remotely close to that?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on January 23, 2018, 05:33:41 am
^ Maybe because this site is barely breathing.

I would believe that if he didn't put an emphasis and a dedicated sentence for a single word but ... okay.

Anyways, I need help with the links you've provided in this thread (http://mangamavericks.createaforum.com/tips-and-tutorials/the-big-fat-thread-of-assorted-helpful-links/). Some of them are coming up all squares in their texts on my end and I can't translate them to find out if they're totally fine with sharing their resources completely because upon further reading (translating) I've found out some of them don't allow to an extent and that may be bad for the thread's purpose and the site's rep.

Also, sharing forum links kinda rustled my jimmies ... in a way.

Although the goal of the forum is to improve our writing skills specifically intended for manga. Do any of you have anything remotely close to that?

Unless the forum goes independent, I don't see much can be done beyond that.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: guest4 on February 26, 2018, 05:38:53 am
Double poster! I feel like wanting to know if you guys are still around, even if it's for a few second.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on March 01, 2018, 02:41:45 am
I'm around. I have stockpiled a couple of ideas but haven't had time to make a single post due to time.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on May 16, 2018, 05:41:02 pm
I said "unfortunately" to be ironic because I knew to you it wasn't "unfortunate" at all. DeAngelus

I left because this was longer a community I wanted to be a part of. You worked hard to make sure that was the case, but what was the point of forum if only two people are speaking to each other.

I came here for genuine help and instead I was bashed on. I wouldn't have posted anything if I didn't recognize my own weaknesses. Or did you think I came here for compliments? I could just go to my mother if that's all I wanted.

Granted I did grow and learn new things, but at what cost.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on May 17, 2018, 02:23:35 am
SO i want to stress that we've had this cycle burn out for a really long time. A lot of it has to do with character development and story pacing. And other times you just simply wanted to pursue your personal preferences in certain things above all else regardless of how much your story suffered from it.

And no matter how many times i broke down the fundamentals of good story pacing and character development and no matter, it would not stick. I gave you a layout to follow, so that every time you made a new version, you would have the tools (remember the golden rules) to re-evaluate your story before posting here. And it's obvious you didn't even attempt to use it.

And sometimes it comes off as a troll because you would not acknowledge the tips we had given you. Sometimes you would just say "OK" move on, and then either make drastic changes that were not part of the original issue (that creates even more issues).

You dont like it when i'm vague. you don't like it when i give you specifics. And whenever i attempt to hit that middle ground of "Not telling you how to write your story" and "Telling you exactly what the problem", it backfires anyways. I have to give you step-by-step instructions on how to write a story because the more broader advice doesn't sink in. 

EDIT:
ON top of all that, i asked you questions to help understand what you want to achieve out of these characters and story. And sometimes i ask you what makes a good character, and what makes a good story. You would be vague and avoid the question. I dont know if it was to make yourself seem like an intellectual or you just genuinely dont have an idea.

The absolute worst thing about you is you promise change. You promise you'll do things different each time i want to give up on you.

I'm sorry if this is what you have to deal with. Only one person reviewing your story. I gave it my absolute best to help you. But i promise you, no one is going to put up with what i had to put up with. I'm not perfect. I've made mistakes in the past with reviewing stories. But this takes the cake for me. Tara, you are the one person who reads my reviews, says they are going to apply the advice, and then not do it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: 変態 on June 07, 2018, 01:39:29 am
DeAngelus deactivated his account.

I thought this forum had a good start but this site is so dead. :\
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 07, 2018, 04:02:55 am
DeAngelus deactivated his account.

I thought this forum had a good start but this site is so dead. :\

DeAngelus forgot what the forum is about and is now preferring her "mentor" and "senuor" who apparently has written actual "manga" who claims has experience with manga. But the behavior and tone clearly showed a child was behind the wheel.

The only one I could possibly imagine anyone actually having so-called manga experience and willing to respond to a script is Mark Crilley. The one guy who I see as a total overhyped artist in the manga industry.

Anyone else that Robyn Ryuu or DeAngelus claims is a complete lie.

I still have chapters to post. I'll be using the forum to work things out with my story. But yeah, unless we get more people, willing to review and write and share their stories, this forum doesnt have much use. it is quite dead. I have chapters upto 9 for Lunacy. And chapters upto 3.

I did email Orchid about the situation.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 13, 2018, 08:42:23 pm
So I reviewed the information. And I'm saddened this happened.

I did notice both you and DeAngelus were lead astray. I do understand both sides. But it looks like other parties involved. I'm going to have to make a rule for the future so that this doesn't happen again.

From now on, No piggy-back commenting. If someone from another forum wants to share any opinion on this forum they have to create their own profile. This is important because if we allow people to piggy-back their comments without joining, the one who does have a profile may end up getting banned for it.

The same rules apply as always.  Email me or pm eachother if things get heated. You're right that the forum was to accept as many reviews as possible, not dismiss them. You made it clear what the purpose of the forum should be, and I agreed.

I will see what can be done. I was considering emailing DeAngelus privately but maybe giving space will help.

I'm also sad Tara left the forum. They were an active member who I enjoyed looking at their art. Their stories although not perfect showed potential in my humble opinion. I feel very bad for not being to be here in those crucial times.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 18, 2018, 12:35:12 am
Ive given this a lot of thought. And i was given at an unfair advantage.

DeAngelus posted 12 chapters. 7 chapters in, i gave my honest opinions on it. The story pacing and tone was off, the world-building was lead to none. And the only thing i can gravitate to was A mystery that just wasn't enticing enough to make it my main interest in reading it, and a character that was also not appealing. In which DeAngelus keeps insisting isn't the main character.



You see, my biggest problem isn't that DeAngelus didn't want to follow my advice. But rather DeAngelus attempted to belittle it by saying "personal preference". Sure....I personally prefer good story telling. DeAngelus had no interest in addressing the issues given. Because according to DeAngelus, i was focusing on the wrong aspects of the story. Even though that was all i was given in the story.

DeAngelus hasn't really earned the trust enough for me to see the clues she wants me to see. Or maybe the goal isn't for me to see them at all. But what i'm left to perceive is bad story telling because there's not enough good story telling to really. She can say "Well its my story and lets just leave it at that".

But no, DeAngelus specifically aimed to say "personal preference". i'm going to say it. Anyone whoever coems out and says that, i will hound them down until they give a real reason why. Because i give personal recommendations. I give personal thoughts. But i dont push a personal preference in a story. Whatever they do to fix the story (even if it wasn't advice i explicitely said), if it actually fixes the flaws or makes them smaller, then i would praise it.

Another problem is when someone else gave a review it was mostly reactionary to mine. Rather than sticking with their own opinion without acknowledging mine. And the biggest problem is i know they had completely different revisions and also had more chapters to work with. I gave DeAngelus a fair review. I dare say, more than fair.

The first chapter is what i always preach that it is the foundation of a good story. It is the first impression. I was very generous to DeAngelus to even treat chapters 1 through 3 as the first chapter. If i would have given DeAngelus a conventional review, Chapter 1 would've been a failure. There was simply not enough world building and not enough character setup. The mystery overtook it all and there wasn't enough to really establish "the point of contact".

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on June 18, 2018, 10:11:00 pm
The biggest concern I have is definitely the difference in revisions. I don't know if that's true, but based on the reviews and some of the quotes given it. I definitely don't agree with you on this 100%. But like I said, I saw both sides.


I managed to get two additional people into the forum. They were initially intending to review DeAngelus work while we agreed you stayed away. But it doesn't look like DeAngelus wants that either.

I have a feeling DeAngelus is very comfortable with her senior. Although I will agree, that senior didnt care about following the rules.

Either way. Maybe they can review your story. I'm still reaching out to tara
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on June 27, 2018, 10:17:09 am
And no matter how many times i broke down the fundamentals of good story pacing and character development and no matter, it would not stick.

Yes it seems strange in hindsight. I don't know exactly why we always had a misunderstanding there, and maybe that's why I can't promise that things will be any different. Nowadays I can sort of pick stories apart as I read or watch them and I can genuinely predict what will happen next or why some things do happen. Which is something I've never been able to come close to doing before.

I think that we both heavily disagreed on what a character actually was. Which made it difficult for me to produce a character to your liking. You wanted a character this way, I wanted a character that way. You wanted the story to do this, I wanted the story to do that. What's worse is by the time FNO was even posted here, it already lost its true meaning. The real story I wanted to tell had been destroyed and I had no idea what I was doing with it, except I deluded myself into thinking I knew what I was doing with it.

The intentions or "agendas" behind each story were not something you were allowed to know, and it's hardly something I could explain in a few words, except through reading the story. Blade Regalia seemed to make a statement on Religion, but it really never did. The whole garden of eden thing was just an origin story, it could've said evolved over millions of years and it still wouldn't be making a statement yet. It does set us up for the statements it does make, but you never read anything about that, and that is my fault entirely.

We could look at the Cannibal which kind of looks like it could be a serial work, but it really makes the most complete statement. But again, to my poor skill, it is missing some of it. To put into perspective how complicated it gets, the cannibal is told from the perspective of the antagonist. The girl directly represents an abuser. The story is meant to humanize her and help you empathize with her to ultimately change your perspective on the victim. And there's more going on there that we're missing, but that's the gist.

I am an artist first and foremost. And that's what artists do when we're not doing functional art we're making statements. The FNO that you read, kind of deals with similar ideas and it also mixes up the roles, and instead of just swapping antagonist and protagonist, it's mixed up around 3 people. You always felt negatively towards Tara and you never thought of her as a strong female lead, but that was kind of intentional. She's playing the victim, but she's not blameless. She's almost asking for pain. That's typically not what you want in a victim, but that's what a lot of victims are, and a lot abusers aren't one-dimensionally demons sometimes. (I'm not saying like if you die in a terrorist attack then you asked for it.) Tara really takes that idea to the extreme, and the Cannibal takes that idea to the extreme as well.

That's one of those things were I wanted something, and you wanted something else. You can't just simply teach someone how to make art, it's more complicated than that. I never felt confident enough in it to call it art, but if I did, I think it would have made it easier for us to understand where our misunderstandings are really stemming from.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 28, 2018, 03:16:12 am
Yes it seems strange in hindsight. I don't know exactly why we always had a misunderstanding there, and maybe that's why I can't promise that things will be any different. Nowadays I can sort of pick stories apart as I read or watch them and I can genuinely predict what will happen next or why some things do happen. Which is something I've never been able to come close to doing before.


I've given golden rules for you for a reason. I dont know how much you read into them. But its more than just preficting the plot, its what emotion you feel when you watch a story.

Do you feel good about it? Why? do you hate it? why? what could have made you hate it less or not at all?

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I think that we both heavily disagreed on what a character actually was. Which made it difficult for me to produce a character to your liking. You wanted a character this way, I wanted a character that way. You wanted the story to do this, I wanted the story to do that. What's worse is by the time FNO was even posted here, it already lost its true meaning. The real story I wanted to tell had been destroyed and I had no idea what I was doing with it, except I deluded myself into thinking I knew what I was doing with it.

The goal isn't to write a character that i personally like. The goal is to write a good character. I hope you know the difference.  One is preference, another is quality. I"ll never force you to write a character such as giving them a specific personality over the other.

However, i will demand quality. and that means actually giving characters a personality. this is something you were working on in Blade Regalia. But FNO, your characters had no personality whatsoever. witty remarks at eachother? yes. But said nothing about the characters. and the characters would shift to a different tone.

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The intentions or "agendas" behind each story were not something you were allowed to know, and it's hardly something I could explain in a few words, except through reading the story. Blade Regalia seemed to make a statement on Religion, but it really never did. The whole garden of eden thing was just an origin story, it could've said evolved over millions of years and it still wouldn't be making a statement yet. It does set us up for the statements it does make, but you never read anything about that, and that is my fault entirely.


I think you have to analyze how Japan uses references in their stories as just randomly throwing them in there. When you have ideas like "Regalia" that has nothing to do with biblical, its hard to understand why included other religious references. Its a hard balance to do, and takes a while to learn. Its something very difficult to master.

But Blade Regalia's agenda effected negatively overall. The goal should be to write a good story first. And everything else second. So if any goals you had were interfering with telling a good story, then you should change it or adjust it. Maybe write the story first before making it for a game. Maybe don't rely on religious figures to approve your story.

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We could look at the Cannibal which kind of looks like it could be a serial work, but it really makes the most complete statement. But again, to my poor skill, it is missing some of it. To put into perspective how complicated it gets, the cannibal is told from the perspective of the antagonist. The girl directly represents an abuser. The story is meant to humanize her and help you empathize with her to ultimately change your perspective on the victim. And there's more going on there that we're missing, but that's the gist.

Cannibal is left as a 1 out of 3 parts. and had nothing left.

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I am an artist first and foremost. And that's what artists do when we're not doing functional art we're making statements. The FNO that you read, kind of deals with similar ideas and it also mixes up the roles, and instead of just swapping antagonist and protagonist, it's mixed up around 3 people. You always felt negatively towards Tara and you never thought of her as a strong female lead, but that was kind of intentional. She's playing the victim, but she's not blameless. She's almost asking for pain. That's typically not what you want in a victim, but that's what a lot of victims are, and a lot abusers aren't one-dimensionally demons sometimes. (I'm not saying like if you die in a terrorist attack then you asked for it.) Tara really takes that idea to the extreme, and the Cannibal takes that idea to the extreme as well.

This is the problem i see within both you and DeAngelus. The "Master plan syndrome". What you want to achieve may not always be a good idea. There will always be a "protagonist" or "main character".  So long as your story has characters, and so long as they use the characters to move the story forward, there will always be a perception of who are major and who are minor. The reader will use what they are given to make that determination.

as much as many people try to remove that from the equation in their stories, they will always remain. And especially in manga and comics where we see characters all the time and dont have to rely on a the flow of the narrative to tell the story (like in novels). 


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That's one of those things were I wanted something, and you wanted something else. You can't just simply teach someone how to make art, it's more complicated than that. I never felt confident enough in it to call it art, but if I did, I think it would have made it easier for us to understand where our misunderstandings are really stemming from.
Everything that you work on where you put effort, and soul into it is considered art. But make no mistake, not all stories are 100% art. Stories has always been a compromise one way or another to maximize entertainment. There's a structure, there's a goal. There's pacing, setup, etc. 

To expect story telling to not compromise your art is asking for the impossible. Accepting that truth, and you now learn that finding your own way to making compromises is just as much as part of the art. And especially for manga and comics, because you also have to make compromises on what you intend to do.

Maybe you don't want to make good proportions. Maybe you don't want characters to look decent. Maybe you just want to make all the characters as ugly as possible. you can do that and still call it art. but that's not what story telling is about. It now takes audience into consideration and we have had generations on trying to master the craft of story telling. So it feels wrong when every story you try to do is just not based on a solid structure. no goal. no purpose other than what you want to achieve.

Yes, you achieved that Tara sucks as a character. it was intentional. then why should i read your story? who is your audience then? people who like bad characters?
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on June 28, 2018, 01:47:37 pm
Why does illustration get a pass, but storytelling doesn't? I think that's very inconsistent. You're not thinking of it as art if that's the case. Picasso draws bad drawings. We call it abstract. I wrote bad stories, we call them bad? You're as conservative of stories being told a certain way as many people are of artwork being realistic. A lot of people don't like to look at abstract art at all.

Say for instance, I built a computer, it doesn't work. I built a bad computer. But that's important right? Function is important in the right context. If I put a broken computer in a museum, then it could be art by that context. But if I gave you a broken computer and told you it's supposed to work, then that's not art, that's just a broken computer.

What I believe art is, and I promise is the best definition you will find anywhere besides some crazy dude saying "everything": Non-functional aspects of something. That's the bare minimum where I look at something and think of it as art, but it's also anywhere where a statement is being made.

A computer that's function is to work is colored silver. The fact that it's silver is artistic. Whether or not you can hang Picasso's work up in your house or not is irrelevant. It's only function is to be seen. What is being seen, is the art. What is being seen is a statement on both the artist and the world around him.

So you can see right here. Instantly. We have a different set of philosophical beliefs. You only think of a story as something that functions in a specific way. You leave no room for it to be artistic, no room to appreciate anything beyond its function. Just as most people leave no room for abstract art. Most people believe illustration's function is to be realistic. Before cameras were invented, it was, but that's no longer necessary.

Not everything that people work on is considered art, that's why we immediately have the distinction "Arts & Crafts". Not necessarily that there's nothing artistic about a craft, but it's really more saying that illustration is useless and crafts actually have uses. Crafts have a function. You could say Art is form without function. (I like that, I'm keeping that phrase)

I'm not against the idea of personality. I'm not even against good story telling. I know you probably think I am.

Me personally, on a completely personal level, I would rather read something that changes my way of thinking rather than just wastes my time. That's why it's important to me to write that way. We have totally different beliefs on a philosophical level. As I said, you want this, I want that. Biggest difference between Picasso and I is Picasso actually knew what he was doing when he did it. Maybe no one is the target audience, maybe everyone is. Maybe you're not the target audience for reasons much deeper than just your age, ethnicity, gender, and religion, which would be the case for other stories.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 28, 2018, 08:45:33 pm
Why does illustration get a pass, but storytelling doesn't? I think that's very inconsistent. You're not thinking of it as art if that's the case. Picasso draws bad drawings. We call it abstract. I wrote bad stories, we call them bad? You're as conservative of stories being told a certain way as many people are of artwork being realistic. A lot of people don't like to look at abstract art at all.


Not all illustrations get a free pass.

For example: commercial artist learn what colors, lines, and patterns to use to make sure they invoke a certain feeling with those who look at their work. They gain satisfaction when others look at their work and feel the feeling the artist intended. To be a commercial artist means you must understand how humans work.

A lot of art can be selfish too. someone could make a flawed drawing. they could have intended the proportions to be perfect, but they're  actually heavily flawed. Maybe colors clash so much it hurts peoples eyes and invokes anger and discomfort. But the artist can be completely selfish and say its not intended for their eyes. It could be just for that one artist and them alone.

The point is however that you can't treat them exactly the same way. Story telling has two key components: "Story" and "telling". You have to understand what a Story is and you have to understand how to tell it. And Telling it doesn't mean talking to yourself, it means you have "someone" in mind. An audience. Story telling requires you to be less selfish and really make a connection with your audience.

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What I believe art is, and I promise is the best definition you will find anywhere besides some crazy dude saying "everything": Non-functional aspects of something. That's the bare minimum where I look at something and think of it as art, but it's also anywhere where a statement is being made.
Of course art can be based entirely on its function (kinetic sculptures). So your definition is definitely a flawed one.

Yes, art can also make a statement as well, but don't confuse that as the core of what makes art "art". Making a statement is part of the goal of "invoking a feeling/thought. Invoking feeling/thought can be done without actually making a statement of any kind (abstract)

Without invoking a feeling or thought, the statement is pointless in terms of Art. It might as well be a picket sign simply with the statement on it. But like i said, visual art can be selfish at times because it can be made without a single audience in mind other than the artist themselves. This is partly due to humans being imperfect. if we had the ability to photograph anything our minds imagined with exact precision, then we wouldn't to pick up a pen/pencil /paintbrush/clay and make it so we see it with our very eyes.

But this is very important that you accept this is as part of story telling. You HAVE to invoke a feeling when writing. You have to aim for it. Without invoking a feeling, you have the most horrible writing. Its just words filling up space with one random encounter to the next. Time and time again, I've asked you: "What is your story suppose to make me feel when i read it?" And you simply could not answer it. It was always "i don't know" and there were times when you didn't even want to think about it. And i see now, because its never been part of the equation when writing your stories. You never cared about your audience.

You have to understand that story telling is not the same as visual medium.

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So you can see right here. Instantly. We have a different set of philosophical beliefs. You only think of a story as something that functions in a specific way. You leave no room for it to be artistic, no room to appreciate anything beyond its function. Just as most people leave no room for abstract art. Most people believe illustration's function is to be realistic. Before cameras were invented, it was, but that's no longer necessary.

I'm not forcing you to have my philosophy. I only care about a good story, and thats all.  So i'm going to prove to you why this isn't true by bringing back your stories: Blade Regalia and FNO.

FNO first. sure, you made some of the most annoying as hell characters in this story. You wanted to push ideas, but didn't create a foundation. You had a creator go into his own creation for a character he cared about (Tara). Which is a problem because A) you didn't make your readers care enough about his relationship and how much it means to him and B) you didn't even establish any character personality traits for your reader to grasp onto.

This is where you were spouting out your intentions with your story. Character having an abortion. Characters having divorce. ideas with no structure, or really purpose other than your statement. you didn't plan out what iw as suppose to feel. and guess what i felt: annoyed. Felt like you were throwing ideas and see what sticks. And couple that with NOT TRUSTING YOU TO ACTUALLY USE THOSE THEMES PROPERLY.

Your stories have one thing in common: your characters are soo annoying, they're unreadable. None of the characters had a redeemable quality worth looking into. NOne of the characters had potential to grow or at least you didn't show us that. You had a statement, and you said it. it was a stupid one. character was annoying. do you feel accomplished?

OK, lets move onto Blade Regalia. This time, you're aiming for something else. Maybe because it was intended for an audience (finally) although that audience was in the medium of video games (which lacks freedom in telling the story properly).  You made Karen or whatever her name was to be the typical hero. But you made it almost your mission to NOT explore the world of Blade Regalia and your characters. Yes we got backstory. Yes we got to see other characters at least have an ounce of personality. But your story telling was so rushed, you didn't allow readers to provoke thoughts or ideas. it was just exposition, and moving onto the next piece of exposition.

What city was Karen in and what was it like in there? IF Karen lived in the streets what was her way of living? How did she fall in love with the guy?

questions that shouldn't be asked were asked. This was you missing every opportunity. THis has nothing to do with your philosophy. This has to do with your lack of perception. Your story 9 out of 10 times is missing structure. And because its missing structure, you can't invoke thoughts and feelings within an audience. And dont even try to tell me thats not your goal.

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I'm not against the idea of personality. I'm not even against good story telling. I know you probably think I am.

You're right, i do think you're against good story telling and the idea of a personality. Its more important to you to go against the current than to understand it and grow from it.

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Me personally, on a completely personal level, I would rather read something that changes my way of thinking rather than just wastes my time. That's why it's important to me to write that way.
I'm pretty sure every artist and writer wants to achieve this to some degree with their story. or at least provoke a thought and feeling to invoke change just as much as a feeling.

there's no excuse for your writing though.

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We have totally different beliefs on a philosophical level. As I said, you want this, I want that. Biggest difference between Picasso and I is Picasso actually knew what he was doing when he did it. Maybe no one is the target audience, maybe everyone is. Maybe you're not the target audience for reasons much deeper than just your age, ethnicity, gender, and religion, which would be the case for other stories.
i want good story. and i dont know what you want, but i know objectively, you dont want a good story.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 28, 2018, 08:48:15 pm
don't even  bother arguing with me about this Tara. you've always been a contrarian. you'd rather argue that we're different rather than prove why you create a good story.

and if you dont know how, you shouldn't be saying any of this.

Before even arguing about how i'm wrong, i want you to prove why the structure doesn't work. only then will you have something worth saying.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on June 29, 2018, 12:25:58 am
You actually consider kinetic art functional? That's funny. I see we have very different philosophies on function. I can't do anything with a kinetic sculpture. Movement is not a function. What you're referring to is an "Action". An action and a function are two different things. I'm going to keep using that phrase different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy. If you want an agreement, you have to first accept why our opinions are different.

Did you honestly think I go to art school and never thought about kinetic art. You had to have been drawing at straws. I spent  hours trying to figure out how you can fit architecture into that description, and you bring up kinetic art. Because for instance in art history, they usually pay attention to architecture as well as religious art which seems very functional. And there's a reason why it still works, but I'm not going to get into that.

Commercial art has a function. And that function is to be pleasing to the consumer. It has nothing to do with it being representational, it has nothing to do with color, or line in isolation, it has to do with the consumer. The consumer is in complete control of the illustration being made. That is not art. That is business.

 If you asked me what is my artwork supposed to make you feel. It would be stupid to answer that. Answering that only serves to belittle the effectiveness of it. What art makes you feel is personal to you.

Think about Picasso again. Picasso's audience wanted representational art. That was the commercial demand. But he drew what he wanted to draw.

I agree with you completely in commercial storytelling the consumer is in control of what story gets told.

Again philosophical disagreement. Kinetic art is not functional. An action is not a function. At least to me, it's not. That's my philosophy. Maybe that's not your philosophy, it doesn't actually matter to me. You could say its function is to move, but the movement that takes place is artistic because it could make any movement. Why does it move the way it does if it could move any way it wanted? Why does a painting look the way it does if it could look like anything it wanted? That is art.

This actually isn't an argument. This is a discussion. You are the one who refuses to discuss. I simply stated, that we disagree. I stated what I believe and then you argued against it. If you don't want to argue, stop arguing and start discussing.

"What is your story suppose to make me feel when i read it?" And you simply could not answer it.

This is one of those things where I felt answering the question would be considered an argument. Obviously I was correct because you refuse to have a discussion. My perspective on characters and storytelling in general has actually changed since the time I wrote FNO, but for me it was important that the character plays his role. I was always looking at the story as a whole. You were looking at the details. I think over time I could have gone back and fixed some of the elements and details that were distracting.

There were some characters whose role was to have a personality. Their role in the story revolved entirely around how it would feel to interact with them. We can continue to compare FNO to art here it'd be as if I drew Tara from FNO and one arm was too small. Even if it was intentional, the statement the piece was making had nothing to do with proportion or arms or anything, the arm could be regualar sized, and the statement would be the same, right. I'm still speaking Hypothetically here, in the art world we could call that small arm "distracting". The arm is completely distracting from the actual message of the piece and should be changed.

That's a similar problem with Tara and FNO or Blade Regalia, is that the poor elements of the story are distracting you. The story's message doesn't revolve around Tara's personality, but the fact that she didn't have one, was distracting. And that should be fixed. If the story were making a statement on personality, or the abstract personalities as a whole were in of themselves making a statement, then that would make more sense from an artistic point of view.

Blade Regalia did create some challenges for me because it was a commercial work, however. The story was going to be illustrated or animated and free to view even without having bought the game. It was purely a service to the gamers, not as a commercial venture. The game itself, was not story driven. It's multiplayer. That being the case I wanted to pursue it as some kind of median between artistic and commercial venture.

What has changed is now the game is also story driven, and that's lead me to make some changes. So now it's much more commercial than artistic. I still love it. I love seeing what it's becoming. I agree that's definitely a mistake not to explore the world or to explore who Katherine is because even within the game the world is very expansive lore wise. It begs you to learn more about it. You do have different cultures and different races and the different Regalia depending on it and it's really fun to explore now. I agree there were missteps there.

You're not Real probably has a lot of potential just by the name. But the story itself is not good. The protagonist is based on a character from Blade Regalia by the same name who actually is a sociopath. But in Blade Regalia he's an antagonist. The story didn't really say anything either. I thought it would be interesting to push the idea that "love didn't exist" or that love was specifically the "You" the title is referring to, but the protagonist was poorly executed. Now I can look at it and see some things that would've made it work a lot better. If the protagonist's struggles seemed more unfair, then it might have been more interesting, but I didn't like the protagonist either.  I didn't know how to fix him. You gave me solutions, but they wouldn't solve the bigger problem so I abandoned it. I would basically just have to torture the protagonist
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 29, 2018, 03:29:16 am
You actually consider kinetic art functional? That's funny. I see we have very different philosophies on function. I can't do anything with a kinetic sculpture. Movement is not a function. What you're referring to is an "Action". An action and a function are two different things. I'm going to keep using that phrase different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy, different philosophy. If you want an agreement, you have to first accept why our opinions are different.

Of course we have different opinions. but i don't want to hear excuses as to why theres a large gap in the story telling process. The problem isn't that we want two different things. I just want good story telling.

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Did you honestly think I go to art school and never thought about kinetic art. You had to have been drawing at straws. I spent  hours trying to figure out how you can fit architecture into that description, and you bring up kinetic art. Because for instance in art history, they usually pay attention to architecture as well as religious art which seems very functional. And there's a reason why it still works, but I'm not going to get into that.
Based on the anime art i've seen, the lack of real-world proportions integrated into them, i wouldn't have imagined you were in art school. If you were in the art school i was in, they would've asked you to stop drawing anime altogether and focus on proportions and realism. And for good reason as it would get in the way of learning proper proportions and form. Its not that my art school wants me to quit altogether, but most people use it as a crutch.

You better find a better definition for art then, because function exists within art. it may not be the core, but its there.

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Commercial art has a function. And that function is to be pleasing to the consumer. It has nothing to do with it being representational, it has nothing to do with color, or line in isolation, it has to do with the consumer. The consumer is in complete control of the illustration being made. That is not art. That is business.
You mean the client. The client has complete control of the illustration. And if they did, they wouldn't hire an artist to do it. And it is intended to be pleasing to the consumer. That is for sure. But don't understimate how much work and skill that actually takes.

There is art in business. Its just a compromise. and that's what I've been trying to highlight to you. You can't treat it like deviantart where you can be selfish and just say its for you and you alone when it comes to storytelling. You have to make compromises in order to grow and understand what it means to make good art/story.

story telling has a function too.

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If you asked me what is my artwork supposed to make you feel. It would be stupid to answer that. Answering that only serves to belittle the effectiveness of it. What art makes you feel is personal to you.

This is why you're not progressing when it comes to story telling. Story telling without trying to engage with your audience and just making them accept whatever group of words. I'm going to tell you again: Stop treating story telling like visual art. Its not the same thing.

it requires more thought into the audience.

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Again philosophical disagreement. Kinetic art is not functional. An action is not a function. At least to me, it's not. That's my philosophy. Maybe that's not your philosophy, it doesn't actually matter to me. You could say its function is to move, but the movement that takes place is artistic because it could make any movement. Why does it move the way it does if it could move any way it wanted? Why does a painting look the way it does if it could look like anything it wanted? That is art.
you're just contradicting yourself.

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This actually isn't an argument. This is a discussion. You are the one who refuses to discuss. I simply stated, that we disagree. I stated what I believe and then you argued against it. If you don't want to argue, stop arguing and start discussing.
i don't want to hear that we have differences in philosophies as to why you're not progressing or that we want different things out of your story. That throws out all the valid critique on your stories.

Its not a matter of "I want this" and "you want that". In the end, the goal is to write objectively better.  Like i said, i'm never going to force you to write a character with qualities i enjoy. BUT i will ask that characters meet the criteria for good story-telling.

Characters need to have personalities, flaws, quirks, redeeming qualities, goals. etc. And if your story progresses through characters, then you have to explore those things as soon as possible. Otherwise, why continue reading?

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"What is your story suppose to make me feel when i read it?" And you simply could not answer it.

This is one of those things where I felt answering the question would be considered an argument. Obviously I was correct because you refuse to have a discussion.
So i'm going to say this: if you can't answer this question, that is the reason you've never been able to progress. You never tried to control the audiences feelings and thoughts through story telling.

I gain so much satisfaction when someone gives me a review of my story and feel or have an opinion on my characters and it ends up being exactly what i wanted to achieve. It tells me the reader is connecting to the story the way i wanted and they see it the way i wanted it to be told.

I aim to do that at a scene by scene basis. Each scene has purpose not just for the goals i want to achieve in the story but also for the audience. They have to gain some satisfaction, some thought or opinion or feeling out each scene. It can't be at a chapter by chapter basis. And you notice this with manga and anime how the art changes slightly when they want to make you laugh, and go back to detailed when they want you to focus on the story.

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My perspective on characters and storytelling in general has actually changed since the time I wrote FNO, but for me it was important that the character plays his role. I was always looking at the story as a whole. You were looking at the details. I think over time I could have gone back and fixed some of the elements and details that were distracting.

No. i wasn't looking at the "Details". i was looking at what's missing in your story. What you fail to execute. What you just don't do.

In FNO, your characters just "existed". There were story-like events that emulate a story, but there was a huge disconnect between me and the story. these characters did nothing to highlight who they were. They were just there, they had no real human qualities. Its like trying to turn a couple in a restaurant you see from a distance into a story.

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There were some characters whose role was to have a personality. Their role in the story revolved entirely around how it would feel to interact with them. We can continue to compare FNO to art here it'd be as if I drew Tara from FNO and one arm was too small. Even if it was intentional, the statement the piece was making had nothing to do with proportion or arms or anything, the arm could be regualar sized, and the statement would be the same, right. I'm still speaking Hypothetically here, in the art world we could call that small arm "distracting". The arm is completely distracting from the actual message of the piece and should be changed.


You also have to stop comparing story-telling to visuals. Art can be completed on a single canvas. Story telling can't always be done that way. Each chapter is posted separately, and i review each individual chapter as if it was a manga that you want to pursue.

Tara, was not human. Tara by the things she said, by the things she did. Had no values. SHe had no personality. She didn't feel real. She felt like something only meant for you to manipulate and create

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That's a similar problem with Tara and FNO or Blade Regalia, is that the poor elements of the story are distracting you. The story's message doesn't revolve around Tara's personality, but the fact that she didn't have one, was distracting. And that should be fixed. If the story were making a statement on personality, or the abstract personalities as a whole were in of themselves making a statement, then that would make more sense from an artistic point of view.
Its more than just distracting. Its the fact that she had no personality meant you really didn't think deeply into what your audience should feel. (i'm sounding repetitious on purpose because you have to acknowledge these aspects)


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Blade Regalia did create some challenges for me because it was a commercial work, however. The story was going to be illustrated or animated and free to view even without having bought the game. It was purely a service to the gamers, not as a commercial venture. The game itself, was not story driven. It's multiplayer. That being the case I wanted to pursue it as some kind of median between artistic and commercial venture.

What has changed is now the game is also story driven, and that's lead me to make some changes. So now it's much more commercial than artistic. I still love it. I love seeing what it's becoming. I agree that's definitely a mistake not to explore the world or to explore who Katherine is because even within the game the world is very expansive lore wise. It begs you to learn more about it. You do have different cultures and different races and the different Regalia depending on it and it's really fun to explore now. I agree there were missteps there.
This is the compromise i'm talking about. Just because its not what you originally envisioned or had to make compromises, doesn't mean you stop calling it art.

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You're not Real probably has a lot of potential just by the name. But the story itself is not good. The protagonist is based on a character from Blade Regalia by the same name who actually is a sociopath. But in Blade Regalia he's an antagonist.
This was a problem. You can't just switch out a role and put it on that character's perspective and assume people will relate or connect with the character. So why do people want to follow a sociopath in a story? Theres no redeeming quality. At that point, we're just seeing a sociopath be a sociopath. It doesn't service the audience.

It invoked a feeling alright, and that was to be annoyed as heck. But my goal in writing is to make sure its pleasing the reader enough to move onto the next chapter. So if your character was so annoying i couldn't read it anymore.

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The story didn't really say anything either. I thought it would be interesting to push the idea that "love didn't exist" or that love was specifically the "You" the title is referring to, but the protagonist was poorly executed. Now I can look at it and see some things that would've made it work a lot better. If the protagonist's struggles seemed more unfair, then it might have been more interesting, but I didn't like the protagonist either.  I didn't know how to fix him. You gave me solutions, but they wouldn't solve the bigger problem so I abandoned it. I would basically just have to torture the protagonist
So this is where story telling is different. We're creating essentially real people. And the goal is that these characters are believable. And if we want to achieve something out of them, we have to manipulate their surroundings to fit that purpose.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on June 29, 2018, 06:20:42 am
I'm sorry that was actually my mistake entirely. I thought I had posted more of my work from on campus here, but I actually didn't There were very few pieces in my gallery. None of my assignments have been anime styled. You are absolutely correct, they would destroy you for that. It actually wasn't until very recently that I was even allowed to draw people. So my mistake for assuming you knew something that I never actually told or showed you.

Function exists within art, yes. A painting's function is to be seen. It has a function. I agree. But what is artistic is what's done beyond that function. As I a said the "non-functional aspects". I did not say "art is an object that doesn't perform ANY function". Art is the aspects of an object that are not pertaining to its function. There is function within objects, but not in art. Art is not just an object.

"You mean the client. The client has complete control of the illustration. And if they did, they wouldn't hire an artist to do it."

So if you're a slave owner. And you have complete control of a slave. You're saying you wouldn't need a slave to do anything if you have control over him? An artist has a skill you need. You pay money, he illustrates in the same way that a painter puts paint on a brush in order to paint. They both want a picture, they both do what they need to do to make it happen.

In a way we could technically say that the client is the artist, and the illustrator is just a medium that the client uses to illustrate. We can call it artistic because the consumer can spend his money on whatever he wants, but the fact that he spends it on that illustration is in of itself making a statement.

Yes, the client doesn't always specify every single little detail about a piece so the artist does have to invent some ideas and that is artistic because it extends past the clients demands into the artist's liberty of choice among a series of choices. Another way to look at art, it is a choice among many choices.

Storytelling's function is to be read or heard. Period. You can ascribe golden rules to story telling if you would like. The consumer can ascribe golden rules to stories he would purchase if he chooses. Commercial storytelling doesn't even follow your golden rules. SAO for instance. Where are Kirito's flaws at? But still a hugely successful product. Different people do have different standards. A lot of people don't pay attention to personality at all. Do I think it's better that characters have a personality? On a personal level, yes I do.

I think the fact that you can't see a correlation between story-telling and illustration is very simple-minded. That's just my opinion. Maybe I think too much about everything.

I like drawing representational art. I like learning to capture someone's likeness and make a picture really feel 3-dimensional. My personal artwork is always pretty conservative, but I can still appreciate abstractions for what they're worth. I like reading what you would call good stories, and I really like reading stories that change my way of thinking. I love it when these two things come together. That's my personal experience.

As of this discussion, perhaps I did in the past because I was prideful, but as of this discussion. I have not once excused any mistake I've made. I have done more to recognize how to fix them than you have. I explained why they happened. But I did not argue that they made the story better.

In the past I've never actually taken it seriously when you'd say I don't put the audience first. Or I don't care about the audience.. That's mostly why you don't feel like you've ever gotten a good answer. I know what Katherine looks like. I know what she acts like and what wants. Why would I draw a picture of her? So that I'll know what I already know? Why would I write about her?

You could say the audience is the only reason she exists, but the reason why I never told you that Tara is supposed to make you feel like she's a victim who isn't blameless is the same reason why artists don't explain their art. I want you to have your own personal experience, or revelation, or emotion, from it. I want Tara to open up a discussion, not simply be a sentence.

I could go back and tell you every single emotion you were meant to feel in FNO and Blade Regalia, and why all those years ago you were meant to feel that way, and I could even tell you why you didn't feel that way. I didn't want to tell you that, because I wanted you to have your own interpretation. Could it have helped us figure out solutions had I told you? Yes. Obviously it could have. I made a mistake. I've made many. I'm used to it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on June 30, 2018, 10:12:04 pm
Function exists within art, yes. A painting's function is to be seen. It has a function. I agree. But what is artistic is what's done beyond that function. As I a said the "non-functional aspects". I did not say "art is an object that doesn't perform ANY function". Art is the aspects of an object that are not pertaining to its function. There is function within objects, but not in art. Art is not just an object.
you said non-function in your definition. its too specific and really has no need. you're overexplaining it. Non-function isn't a key factor to art. There are cathedrals and castles that the way they approach function is considered art. Its not worth arguing/discussing and you know it.

The core of art is to invoke feeling/thought. if you focus on that, it really doesn't matter what other things you add onto the definition.

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So if you're a slave owner. And you have complete control of a slave. You're saying you wouldn't need a slave to do anything if you have control over him? An artist has a skill you need. You pay money, he illustrates in the same way that a painter puts paint on a brush in order to paint. They both want a picture, they both do what they need to do to make it happen.

I'm not going to address this poor analogy for obvious reasons.

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In a way we could technically say that the client is the artist, and the illustrator is just a medium that the client uses to illustrate. We can call it artistic because the consumer can spend his money on whatever he wants, but the fact that he spends it on that illustration is in of itself making a statement.
You're right. in a way, you could technically say that....

i could technically say anything i want, just like you. Could you say that and be objectively accurate? No. Explanation below.

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Yes, the client doesn't always specify every single little detail about a piece so the artist does have to invent some ideas and that is artistic because it extends past the clients demands into the artist's liberty of choice among a series of choices. Another way to look at art, it is a choice among many choices.

Depends on the artist and client. the artist still using his mind to create something that correlates with what the client had in mind. Its not the same as creating a mugshot from thought, or at least not always. And for a client its also a bonus for the artist to create something better than what he could've imagined.

The client relies on a commercial artist to help visualize what he can't. Or at least to put ideas into physical form. A client may only have vague ideas and still rely on the artist to execute them. At the end of the day, the client says yes or no if its not close to what the client envisioned, but like i said "depends on the artist and client". the client doesn't always get involved in the process of creating it.  They can ask for key aspects.

Point is you'll have to make compromises in order to grow in both illustrations and story-telling. you're not being slaved off if you choose to go into commercial illustrator or writer.

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Storytelling's function is to be read or heard. Period. You can ascribe golden rules to story telling if you would like. The consumer can ascribe golden rules to stories he would purchase if he chooses. Commercial storytelling doesn't even follow your golden rules. SAO for instance. Where are Kirito's flaws at? But still a hugely successful product. Different people do have different standards. A lot of people don't pay attention to personality at all. Do I think it's better that characters have a personality? On a personal level, yes I do.
No. Not period. The act of being heard/read shares an intention again that correlates with illustration and that is still to invoke thought/feeling.

SAO is more concept than a story. The concept sells more than the story. Kirito as a person isn't important to SAO. Kirito more or less was suppose to function like a typical 1337 gamer, but comes across as the perfect love interest who everyone happens to like him and adore him. For SAO, the story is an excuse to move the concept forward. it doesn't care how good or how bad the story is (unfortunately).

Its important to not bring examples of sucessful bad writing as a way to avoid the golden rules. They're not intentionally giving a bad story, they just overlooked them because they focused on a different aspect. Pointing them out is just as important to improve.

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I think the fact that you can't see a correlation between story-telling and illustration is very simple-minded. That's just my opinion. Maybe I think too much about everything.
No, you're just using our different views as a way to push an extreme (like when you compared commercial art to slaves)

At its core, they share similar goals to provoke thought/opinion/emotion into the one who reads/views it. But just as they are two different mediums, they have two different approaches and foundations. Illustrations can be a whole story packaged in a single canvas and the joy is to interpret the story from paint strokes, color choices, etc. This is where "a picture can say a 1000 words" expression comes in, because the viewer has to now fill in the blanks of whatever story they see in that picture.

Story-telling (and this includes comics and manga that use visuals as well) focus on the actual telling of the story. And to optimize it, the writer/teller focuses on the flow and pacing, the way characters are written, the amount of effort the writer does to immerse you into this fictional world or even non-fictional event. Story-telling is more of a process when you're sharing it. When you share illustrations, its usually in complete form. And even if you share the process of the painting its not the same as telling a completed story.

Here's an analogy to pusht he point across: when you tell an extensive joke, you have to make sure you're presenting the setup in an appealing way so that when you reach the punchline, your audience reach the intended feeling and laugh.

Like i said, story-telling is meant to be told to someone else other than yourself, so you have to take the audience into account. visual medium doesn't have to. it can be completely selfish. its not called illustration-sharing. just illustrations.

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As of this discussion, perhaps I did in the past because I was prideful, but as of this discussion. I have not once excused any mistake I've made. I have done more to recognize how to fix them than you have. I explained why they happened. But I did not argue that they made the story better.
then we shouldn't be arguing about commercial art and how different you see story-telling.

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In the past I've never actually taken it seriously when you'd say I don't put the audience first. Or I don't care about the audience.. That's mostly why you don't feel like you've ever gotten a good answer. I know what Katherine looks like. I know what she acts like and what wants. Why would I draw a picture of her? So that I'll know what I already know? Why would I write about her?

You don't even need to draw her. But just giving basic description of her, helps her easier to imagine. Otherwise, you're relying on the reader to make something up. And that's hard to do when you're just starting out the story at chapter 1. that means we have to imagine the character as we're reading the script. And you can't afford to do that with bad-writing habits.

Novels can get away with this at times by using the flow of the narration gloss over it. but when you share a script, fully intended to be drawn. its not a good idea to leave it out.
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You could say the audience is the only reason she exists, but the reason why I never told you that Tara is supposed to make you feel like she's a victim who isn't blameless is the same reason why artists don't explain their art. I want you to have your own personal experience, or revelation, or emotion, from it. I want Tara to open up a discussion, not simply be a sentence.
we never got far into the story to ever reach any of these ideas (look at previous joke analogy). First few chapters were always flawed to the core, that we couldn't move forward.

The problem wasn't that you never told me Tara was supposed to make me feel like a victim who isn't blameless (which is more of a statement, than an intended feeling). The problem was that Tara was so indistinguishable from the start. Your goal is only to eventually reveal that shows that you didn't think of her like a real character.

And because of that, she was mildly annoying. Never really giving the reader a good idea of what kind of personality she has. Too many melodramatic scenes with no build up to them (once again, the joke analogy i said before). In the end, Tara was annoying. So why would the reader stay for the setup if the setup isn't interesting?

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I could go back and tell you every single emotion you were meant to feel in FNO and Blade Regalia, and why all those years ago you were meant to feel that way, and I could even tell you why you didn't feel that way. I didn't want to tell you that, because I wanted you to have your own interpretation. Could it have helped us figure out solutions had I told you? Yes. Obviously it could have. I made a mistake. I've made many. I'm used to it.

Its good to analize the review. I always aim to focus on certain events where someone tells me "this scenes is soo annoying" and i go back and try to see why they feel the way they feel.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on July 01, 2018, 06:50:31 am
You're right it may be pointless to try and change someone's philosophies.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: HematoLogMeIn on July 05, 2018, 08:19:50 pm
lmao this place goes nearly dead for like a year and the next big burst of activity is a bunch of head scratching and picking at someone's brains for answers that don't exist. i love y'all. that isn't sarcasm, btw.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Tara on July 05, 2018, 11:16:51 pm
I actually, very purposefully, tried to breathe life into these forums, and you can see how literally nothing happened during the time that I was gone. I personally don't see the value in trying anymore if there aren't any individuals here that I can have a discussion with.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 07, 2018, 02:30:12 am
NO i hear you. i recently have a couple of individuals looking into the stories provided. so hopefully they'll start soon. I always recommend helping out and recommending the place.

i understand the sentiment though. its tough. for a short while we did have consistent amount of people. Some people just end up disapearing for a while. Honestly, the whole situation with DeAngelus has put me at a loss.

i understand both sides. but i definitely don't agree with the approach. It really takes one review to really throw a way friendships. and thats what really depresses me about it all.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on July 08, 2018, 10:55:19 pm
I modified the rules before.

I thought it was initially implied that the steps to deescalating issues was more direct, but now i see it only appears as a suggestion. So i made the deescalation process mandatory. If anyone has issues with another user, they must follow this process to deescalate.

I also added the rule of no piggy-back riding. If someone wants to make their opinion public in this forum, they cannot do it by proxy of another user. Everyone is accountable for their own opinions and thoughts. Its safer for the proxy member because they can break the rules and not realize it.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on July 20, 2018, 04:27:11 am
i'll be posting the chapters very soon. I do like the rules better. And you shouldn't worry about people like that.

Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 05, 2018, 01:03:58 am
How are the chapters coming alone?

Also I saw your steins gate post. I havent finished the first season yet so that's why I havent posted on it yet.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Lumaria on August 08, 2018, 03:12:16 am
my main issue with chapters moving forward is organizing them properly. The setup with the followin gthree episodes is that they feel too stand alone for my comfort and i want them to be more connected and show the pacing progress rather than to alter.

So i'm reviewing them now and see if i can expand on them to add more that makes them feel like they're progressing.
Title: Re: Mandatory Chit Chat Thread (For the crickets out there !)
Post by: Orchid on August 17, 2018, 02:17:00 am
As soon as you can get them out will be fine. I understand how life is.

I wish I had more time .