Crediting/citing the original creators work ... deemed not important and/or not worth it to most of the users here on the internet ... yep , that's internet for you . Thanks a lot for adding a lot more work for us creditors who has been doing all of this for you . This thread is made to highlight the importance of doing such a simple act and how to do it (at least) right in a more informal way . let me remind you that this is from my voice on this matter , but regardless how it may end up , the motive behind me speaking up on this matter does indeed echo in that many other had voiced out the same concern about this (Will be stated below) and at times . better . So , it is possible that I may not cover this issue entirely . If there are anything left unanswered , leave a reply in this thread and I or anyone may get to it .
The importance of crediting and citation 1. The obvious - avoiding getting put up on the wall of shame , blacklisted and worse , getting the ticket Especially if you're using them for your work and don't even bother citing/crediting back to the original source where you took it from , and worse don't even bother asking for permission to use it , always leads to an upgrade to lawsuit and it's easy for it to occur ... really easy . The major issue is that paying for one to happen is too costly , it's worth the time for the initiator to precede into having one . Which is why art getting stolen and going rogue/invisible is still on a rampant level .
Well , not recently . There have been cases of crowdfunding and public shaming going on in order to combat this . Also , there had been moves being made by major sites taking down works by supporting the victims of said works and remove them when asked . Though it's still quite at large , these issue is , it's shrunken steadily thanks to raised awareness and joint rally against such acts . So , serve this as a reminder - if you feel like not doing it , you're going to be caught much easier .
2. Preventing art theft , plagiarism , rogue/invisible art and misunderstanding on usage rights and ownership . This . Happens . ALL THE TIME ! Whenever a creative work goes uncredited while it gets circulated all around the internet , the more exposed it becomes to all of the above . by citing/crediting them on your end , you effectively give 'identity' to the said works instead of ending up being another one of the millions rogue/invisible works , waiting for the unscrupulous bunch of ingrates to steal and make big bucks out of them . Trust me , it's very easy for this to happen , here's one example I've written before :
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it's not the right song title . You know what's worse , as the video description says , this person had stated that this is his/her song (along with others) . Guess what , big NO :Spoiler (hover to show)
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simple googling will yield results to where to support this team and buy their product (or if they didn't sell them , CREDIT THEM !) !Spoiler (hover to show)
3. More exposure for us creators . What most if not all creators of videos , musics , art , etc. appreciate more than money is some form of recognition and exposure to the world . In fact , getting more recognition and exposure nets them more money from more people who wants to buy them . But the major problem is that were usually be awfully busy to do an active self-promotion , other than spewing out more work , thus we're limited ourselves in that matter . That's why they'd hope that their fan would help out on this , even if they did not mention it at all .
4. A better , proper form of appreciation . Buying them is good , but giving credits is better and most of the creators appreciate this more than just purely money alone . So , put some more effort in doing so ... it's not that difficult .
Crediting properly I'm sure you wonder , do we have to place credits/citations the way you see most big , fat , dictionary books do ? You know , something we'd normally see right at the bottom of the wikipedia page ? Have no fear , you don't have to go to that length when crediting someone righteously . What you see in Wikipedia is the formal way and it's normally reserved for such occasion and also things like figure speech and sometimes to that extent , articles and journalism .
If anything , there's an informal way of crediting/citing that caters to commoners . Here are the do's and dont's on crediting/citing informally :
- Do cite the author of the said work posted and/or used , especially if the said work has no watermark (a lot don't put them on it for good reason)
- If the work you're intending to post is uncredited , make use of the reverse search engines provided , like
Google Reverse Image Search and
Tineye for static visual arts .
- Always make a habit of verifying the credits to make sure it actually is the right one . It's very possible that it is not , especially on the internet . Make use of google search on researching .
- Having links that takes us directly to the author's personal website (Preferably) , blog , store and/or gallery (Preferably) are usually recommended and better .
- If you still can't find the actual owner of said work , get help from people on the same field preferably , but anybody would do still .
- Preferably , do not post them up without having placed credits along with them , especially publicly , especially if they're new and/or still not well-known .
- It is recommended that you do not post the actual resolution and quality of the said work to the public if it does not have credits attached to it .
- Anything aside from the authors name and links to their personal sites , blogs , store , gallery or any other sites they're active in does not make a valid credit .
- Links to any third party sites that has credits to the actual owner of said works does not make a valid credit as well , same goes with "Internet" and "Google" .
- Do not link directly to the image link itself (contains endings like .jpg , .png and .gif) . Same goes to others like music , video , writing , etc. .
But if you still want to do this formally ,
a quick google search (this is for art in general) would help .
Questions often asked or displayed (Especially in a general imageboard/hosting site)
Why do I/we/they do this ? Simple , we respect the works they've given to us to add and showcase on our imageboard/hosting site . This is our way of showing our thanks - by giving them the exposure and recognition they so need to motivate them to keep doing what they do . It is also a way to tell the viewers that we do not own the works hosted on our site , or any sites for that matter and that it belongs to their respective original creators themselves . That's why we habitually and naturally give credits to them , even outside our original job in an imageboard/hosting site , even if some of us do buy them and scan them to add to the gallery .
And let's not forget that what were doing (uploading these creators work on our site) is as illegal as it get . All the more reason to do it to avoid getting sued !
So you're telling me that just buying their works is not enough to show that we love and respect their works ? No and yes . No in a sense that you've given them cash to fund for their material and living costs spent in the creation of their works , both present and their future works . But yes , they prefer if you promote/expose their works and/or gallery to others to see on their behalf because of the limitation one person can do and how far can they shine in the public and the fact that they're forever bee-sy .
That way , you encourage them to buy their works as well , generating more needed money to make their lives less a living hell .
Then why they don't they even request us to give them credits then ? Contradictory to what you believe , we often request it . It's stated either in words , signature/trademarking/watermarking their work , or using licenses on their work , if given . perhaps you didn't read them and/or look for them , so do it more attentively and thoroughly next time . Also , it's down to common courtesy and an act of selflessness and goodwill . I mean , would you keep that secret that you own that work from us away from others ? You can't be that stingy , aren't you ? If they didn't ask for it , it does not mean you don't have to do it .
Then why not make this a rule ? It's a thing that honestly , shouldn't be a rule that is punishable because it's like we're policing all works circulating on the internet (we like sharing , you know) . But if anything , this is by default a rule of life . So if you somehow don't have it in you , I'd recommend that you apply it ASAP .
Imageboard/hosting sites in general had this as a rule in order to keep the site less illegal that it should be already . It's technically illegal to upload someone else's work onto another site the original creators do not own and/or not a member of to begin with , that's why out of sheer respect for the works being uploaded illegally , we give them credits and links that leads to the owner's site and/or gallery . Which is also why a some of these imageboard/hosting sites tend to not upload the full resolution , high quality image onto their site . If you want the actual image in it's actual size and quality , go to the creator's site and/or gallery . It's technically illegal to host the actual image size and quality outside of their gallery , so don't ask me why they do so .
But I'm seeing others do it , why can't I ? You don't , period . Do not hop onto that bandwagon , unless you want to be on the witch's side on a current global scale witch hunt and wished to be staked ...
A 'witch hunt' on this ? That's insane ! It's not new . It has been going on for many , many years . It's only more larger , vocal and physical (and it'll keep growing , regardless) because of the nature of circulation of creative works on the internet . It's so fast , easy and grows at plague-speed , ungoverned/unmoderated , it's very difficult to keep track of them , making them almost always ends up getting stolen and/or going rogue and/or invisible . The only effective way to combat this begins with you , the user who had the said works , starting with citing/crediting them .
But I got them off the internet ! How the hell am I going to find it's original owner of the said works then ? In the wake of the ever growing issues of plagiarism and intellectual property seemingly going rogue came what would be a first act of salvation - a remedy of sorts to this issue .
Google Reverse Image Search and
Tineye , to name the two most effective reverse search engine for art exclusively (I know there are others and similar engines for other creative works , but I'm focusing more on arts for this matter) are the first big movement being made to combat this , so use it . If that fails , which rarely does unless it was a case of gone in too deep into the Davy Jones locker , either by the effects of not getting credited for too long and/or the author decides to be invisible or worse , dead , go to prominent sites of said creative art (music , writing , etc.) or any big scale imageboard/hosting sites and seek their help in crediting them . At times , they might have them in their folder or that they know where it came from .
It's varies , but better than nothing .
But what about the others who didn't read this and weren't aware of this ? The Growing Tree Effect .
It starts with you . So make a habit of doing this and educate those around you . It benefits all parties !
What if they don't care ? Or find it not that important or it's a hassle ? We 'encourage' these kind of people to walk straight into the lion's den - we want some form of 'entertainment' after all (We live a very stressful life , you know) . Trust me , they'll regret doing this , especially if they're of the field they're working on especially . You on the other hand , you've done your best , so don't ever change your mind and do what they do .
So , you keep bringing up this "crediting" and "citing" in art as though it's a death wish for not doing it ... It is and will be , especially to me as an artist myself , this is a potential death blow to my career and the damage is permanent . Call me rude , condescending , whatever ! We won't be staked for our wrongdoing towards your actions , it'll be you instead . Also worth remembering , it's not limited to just art , so don't think that we're that forgiving when you're not doing this to other creative works , like music and writing .
Links worth reading Remember that even if this is in a manga-oriented forum , where writing and art is the thing , it's not just limited to those two only . As you can see , all the links below is about and it's related to the importance of crediting and you'll see that it's not limited to the two mentioned and certainly not limited to the issue related to posting someone else's work on other sites . So , read them and educate yourself !
http://spvpasadena.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Copyright.pdf http://www.whatiscopyright.org http://gejda.deviantart.com/journal/Stock-in-a-nutshell-626176160 http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/27498/how-to-attribute-give-credit-to-creative-commons-copyleft-public-domain-content http://www.plagiarismchecker.com/plagiarism-vs-copyright.php http://sarafhawkins.com/difference-copyright-and-plagiarism/ https://www.reference.com/education/difference-between-primary-secondary-source-374c514ffc521a71# http://lca.sfsu.edu/faculty/plagiarism-resources http://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/33098/How-Not-to-Steal-People-s-Content-on-the-Web.aspx#sm.000005ddsm0it1enrye49oq8qi1b6 http://ikeepsafe.org/be-a-pro/ethics/how-do-i-correctly-cite-internet-sources/ https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/589/2/ https://writingcenter.utk.edu/for-students/citingsources/ http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/52146-References-and-advices-about-copyrights http://www.artslaw.com.au/legal/frequently-asked-questions/ http://www.plagiarism.org/citing-sources/cite-sources/ http://www.thepulpzine.com/crediting/ http://www.artbizblog.com/2009/07/otherimage.html http://blogevolved.blogspot.my/2012/05/crediting-pictures-unofficial-guide.html http://mariabrophy.com/philosophy/when-is-it-okay-to-copy-and-sell-another%E2%80%99s-work-plagiarism-and-the-golden-rule.html http://designobserver.com/feature/credit-where-credit-is-dueor-not/6887/ https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/42294/about-sharing-other-peoples-art-how-to-properly-source (Which makes all of what I've written a TL;DR)
More when you google them out . There's a fark-tons of this !
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