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Author Topic: Manga and crowdfunding  (Read 729 times)

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2016, 05:44:41 pm »
This is what a good Manga crowdfunding campaigned should be in my opinion:

#1)the manga artist should present previous works for backers to see if they can invest in them.

#2) Explain why this story is worth reading. And prove the persons extensive knowledge on writing and manga.

#3) Provide chapters to show the direction they are going for.

#4) Show what crowdfund will accomplish other than just one manga story. Will it lead you to becoming published by licensed publisher?

#5)Explain why crowdfunding is the only option.and how the money will be used.

#6) Have a Q&A with those who are skeptical.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 12:17:20 am by Lumaria »

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2016, 06:24:47 pm »
#5)Explain why crowdfunding is the only option.

Why does it have to be the only option? I mean, it's a viable gateway option for anybody. It's there to be an option. it doesn't have to be a last resort unless you personally use it as one.

Like, why is last resort-ing it an actual criteria here?

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2016, 06:57:39 pm »
#5)Explain why crowdfunding is the only option.

Why does it have to be the only option? I mean, it's a viable gateway option for anybody. It's there to be an option. it doesn't have to be a last resort unless you personally use it as one.

Like, why is last resort-ing it an actual criteria here?

because if they can make it without the people's money, then why not go that route.

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2016, 07:44:51 pm »
because if they can make it without the people's money, then why not go that route.
If they can make a profit, why not go that route?

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2016, 10:58:14 pm »
If they can get published without crowdfunding then they should be fine. Stupid auto correct

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 10:36:10 am »
I see it as a kind of supplemental income. They can be published and still have a gofundme for things like donations. Maybe they could even use it as a method of connecting with their audience.

Again, I think where our opinion differs is that I see it as an option for people who want some kind of income, and you have a tunnel vision set on constant, lifelong improvement. Neither of these are bad things. I can see how you could see this as a method that stunts growth, but that's not everyone's path. For those looking solely for monetary gain for their work (think of them what you will,) this is a very viable option.

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2016, 12:12:09 pm »
I see it as a kind of supplemental income. They can be published and still have a gofundme for things like donations. Maybe they could even use it as a method of connecting with their audience.
Which can be achieved in Deviant art or patreon. Crowdfunding is a completely different scenario.

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Again, I think where our opinion differs is that I see it as an option for people who want some kind of income, and you have a tunnel vision set on constant, lifelong improvement.
Nothing exactly. If they need the money to survive, that is one thing. But even then that is one viable reason why crowdfunding is required. It's money going toward the product. Not the person.

Money to supplement their life style is different from needing the money to focus on the product their selling. It's not tunnel vision.
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Neither of these are bad things. I can see how you could see this as a method that stunts growth, but that's not everyone's path. For those looking solely for monetary gain for their work (think of them what you will,) this is a very viable option.[/color]

But that's usually just not what they end up using manga crowdfunding campaigns according to what has been provided.

You see crowdfunding as any other donation. Sometimes it's a joke someone has to be apart of (for example, a man who Kickstarted the campaign to try PBJ sandwich for the first time).

But Crowdfunding is not a donation. its an investment.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 12:14:35 pm by Lumaria »

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2016, 01:39:14 pm »
As we have already established, people can invest their money in what they will, and sometimes they aren't exactly smart about it. What I'm talking about is transparency. While yes, crowdfunding is intended for a product, that does not always have to be the case. People will always manipulate and scam others. I was fine with your other five stipulations for a crowdfunding page, honestly. I just see crowdfunding itself as a concept as another way to "play the system" if one would so choose. It's a wide open loophole, and I'm okay with that.

The user could list what all the money they receive from crowdfunding may go for (writing/drawing materials, new computer equipment for better self-publishing, and maybe use the extra for food or rent payment or whatever else), and regardless of the fine print, it's still up to the investor whether or not that person receives anything. I feel like you assume that anybody and everybody who tries this method just gets wads of cash every month in the Paypal for it, and I highly doubt that's actually the case.

Ultimately, what it comes down to for me is that anything that can be manipulated for purposes outside of what was intended (i.e. Craigslist and similar) cannot always be held without the bounds of a solid "this is all it can be ever no questions asked this is it the end." People are only limited by their creativity...but then again, I'm the kind of person who applauds the genius of going against convention for your own gain, so yeah, using crowdfunding as an alternate method of donations is perfectly viable because it can be manipulated to be used that way.

I see the whole thing as one option among many. Sure there are DeviantART and Patreon, and plenty of others, but there's also this, if you play it right. The morality of "playing it", of course, is dubious, but then again, when has ethics ever stopped someone who wanted money?

But away from the people who use it dubiously, say somebody did set up a crowdfunding with proper transparencies and did indeed only use the money to advance the product until they could manage to get their work properly published. Say they even close down the crowdfunding after that so they can focus their income on the sale of their product. Then what? Say instead they left it open, even though the product was released in completion. All volumes published, just that the crowdfunding was still open as a supplement. Say they even changed the description with places to by the released product, and explained that they weren't making more, and that anything else would be considered as a donation and an addition to their profit. Then what? Both are completely viable options, if only just because "why not?"

Say also that someone had intended everything for their project, but no publisher they contacted would take them, so they continue to gather from crowdfunding to self-publish, and say it isn't the best, but it gets off the ground some. Say they don't make much because it was a bad product, so they leave the crowdfunding open and explain the starving artist situation. Say they also started doing commissions and the like on DeviantART and other sites to keep their head above water. Then what? It's just another path among many.

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2016, 04:42:58 pm »
I'm not focusing on the ones who use crowdfunding. That's an a completely different situation.

I will focus completely on the idea of using it. And you're basically saying all the things I'm saying except.

And no, I don't assume people who use this method is get wads of cash. But the difference between Deviant art and patreon is indeed transparency but it's also a one off. DA you can donate whenever you feel like, patreon is sort of like a monthly subscription. But Crowdfunding is a one off.and it's the least effective way if they don't meet it especially for kickstart.

I'm also purely concern in growth.

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Re: Manga and crowdfunding
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2016, 07:37:17 pm »
I've never seen Kickstarter be used for rent. I know Deviant art does. I don't know too much about patreon other than you tubers use it.

 

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