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Making Webtoons
« on: December 19, 2016, 07:46:12 pm »
Anyone here interested in the vertical digital format for comics?

What's a good site to host your webtoons? (ex: Tapastic, Line Webtoon, etc) Pros & cons?
« Last Edit: December 19, 2016, 07:48:57 pm by 変態 »

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 06:44:35 pm »
I don't know what it is about Web comics, but they never grabbed my attention. Maybe it's because Facebook blows up my feed with webtoons.

I prefer reading comics that are supposed to be read printed.

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 09:41:07 pm »
I hate Internet based comics. A lot of what I read never has a cut off point so you could be reading and never finding when it ends.


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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 05:18:55 am »
You could be reading and never finding when it ends.
It doesn't bother me.
It "ends" when I grew tired of it.

The only thing that bothers me is if it's classified as a product of a weeaboo.

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 11:24:20 am »
Most webtoons I read were american. And I can't stop reading something until I got tired. And if I did, that's a bad sign because I stop reading for that reason, picking it up again is even harder. There's no progression nothing to stop and think about what you read. It's all continuous.


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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 06:09:41 am »
I detest scrolling-long pages with vast amount of "unused" spaces in-between panels , particularly manhwas . Other than that , I'd still (try to) read it , if I do stumble upon one .

I can't contribute to sites that do host webtoons because I don't look for them (rather read the old-school scans and hard copies) .

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 06:23:41 am »
I hate those long empty spaces too. Some are abusively repeating the same panels with just a little modification to produce a page/panel.

Anyway, just asking since some sites have different file limits and stuff.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 11:23:24 am »
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Some are abusively repeating the same panels with just a little modification to produce a page/panel.
And that too . There are times that a number of the webtoon pages can easily be compressed into a single manga page (Will get to this later on) .

If Tapastic allows webtoons , I'm very sure a lot of other webcomic sites would do so . I regularly browse Smackjeeves , maybe they allow it there and they have no such file limit and sizes , at least from what I see .

Here comes my opinion on webtoons I've read so far (Rant ON ... Powered by Work-Stress Battery)

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I've wiki'ed out for research purpose . 'Fluidity' ? If this is the kind of fluidity most webtoons are trying to archive , then it's not because this has a fluidity that of Mauna Kea's lava flow . I wonder if the people who does webtoons know of the basics of pictorial storytelling ...

Just like you said , duplicates that had little to no difference between them , that screams laziness . Even the smallest of time gap between the two panels does not bear similarity that are 100% similar - small changes in gesture , expression , atmosphere , action , etc. , you name it , all of that can happen even if there's a second gap in-between the two panels .

Now , this is when I absolutely detest the lengthy white spaces in-between the two panels . They are so long that it gives off an impression that they're not putting more effort in drawing more panels (an excuse) or filling the blanks with something ... even just something unnecessary . The blank spaces in-between the panels counts as a panel too - longer white spaces means longer time gap where absolutely nothing interesting and important happens in-between the two panels (of course , don't create pages after pages of blank canvases , please) . Apparently , most of these webtoons don't understand the importance of it .

And when I mention that a portion webtoon pages (the way it is) can be easily compressed into a single manga page , I wasn't lying . To give you a perspective of the time length a chapter of webtoon is compared to typical manga when being turned into film series for one episode , an average manga would be between 10-30 minutes in length , depending on the amount of dialogues , scene and character actions and time displacement in-between panels . Webtoons are at most half of that , sometimes even lesser than that , to as little as 2 minutes , a sub-chapter manga length . This means you'll spend far less time on the very same panel and/or page in webtoons as opposed to manga , which means lesser opportunity for immersion to develop simply because you're going to flip pages quicker than you can blink (Most webtoons I've read so far had done that) . The fact that I have to do a LOT of scrolling down with lengthy white spaces in-between just to view ONE panel at a time does exactly that - it kills my mood to be engrossed in them .

Since webtoons are 100% digital and most of the time in color , why is it that I'm not seeing any form of effort on their part in making it artistically appealing ? I mean , the format and execution itself is done without any sort of effort in making it 'immersive' , it's okay to half-baked on the artistic department as well , especially when it's more time-saving doing things digitally as opposed to traditionally ? I've seen graphic novels from Japan and Hong Kong/China and western comics done in full color (or not) on a canvas far more smaller than webtoons and does it with spectacular finish , why can't you do it , webtoons ?

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Not that I'm berating webtoon as a "lazy" version of manga . It's a kind of format I personally (many others would too) love to get into due to it's lack of limitations and high degree of expressive and creative freedom . It's this lack of limitation and freedom that when it comes to showcasing your artistic and creative prowess , the sky's the limit . However , the main problem that I'm pointing my fingers at lies in those who does webtoons and produces works that still cannot even rival the comic juggernauts that are the Japanese Mangas and Western Comics (and on certain occasions , even Chinese Manhuas) but thinks that they do .

Basically , webtoons are still filled with amateurs , thus it's bad rep and low public expectation .

Still though , if anyone's interested in making a webtoon , feel free to do so . But bear in mind that expectations are very high for it's kind .

EDIT : Here you go , comes with pros and cons (Which confirms my suspicions of the kind of people who does webtoons currently)

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 08:55:57 pm »
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Since webtoons are 100% digital and most of the time in color , why is it that I'm not seeing any form of effort on their part in making it artistically appealing ? I mean , the format and execution itself is done without any sort of effort in making it 'immersive', it's okay to half-baked on the artistic department as well , especially when it's more time-saving doing things digitally as opposed to traditionally ? I've seen graphic novels from Japan and Hong Kong/China and western comics done in full color (or not) on a canvas far more smaller than webtoons and does it with spectacular finish , why can't you do it , webtoons?
There are webtoons that I find artistically appealing. They may not be as flashy and godlike as how Japanese artists do them, but some webtoons do look amazing but just a handful. Not all mangas done by pro mangakas look appealing too anyway. Also, like what the cons listed on the link you provided, majority of webtoon artists only work alone or with minimum help at all and has to follow deadlines thus, half-baked/unfinished pages happen and yes they get published just like that.

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To re-rail the topic.
I'm actually looking for pros/cons, site experiences on webtoon hosting sites. Not the webtoon format itself in general. I may try doing webtoons in the future that's why I mentioned it specifically.

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 09:16:59 pm »
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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 09:55:58 am »
There are webtoons that I find artistically appealing. They may not be as flashy and godlike as how Japanese artists do them, but some webtoons do look amazing but just a handful. Not all mangas done by pro mangakas look appealing too anyway. Also, like what the cons listed on the link you provided, majority of webtoon artists only work alone or with minimum help at all and has to follow deadlines thus, half-baked/unfinished pages happen and yes they get published just like that.
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I'm actually looking for pros/cons, site experiences on webtoon hosting sites. Not the webtoon format itself in general. I may try doing webtoons in the future that's why I mentioned it specifically.

http://forums.tapastic.com/t/line-webtoon-opinions/2578/44
Since I can't tell the clear pros and cons of the two , I let the people there do the talking . While searching for surveys , I've stumbled upon Spottoon , another of the same kind .

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2017, 12:40:45 pm »
Admittedly, I've thought about doing webtoon shorts before loosely based on my characters, but mostly for the sake of comedy and behind the scenes things that I consider canon for my characters that would be awkward to try to insert into my stories as they are. More or less I'd use them in place of random filler. Then again, I have no experience with making them or any sites to use for it, so I can't really contribute much to the discussion here.

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Re: Making Webtoons
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2017, 05:20:39 pm »
I did webcomics a loooong time ago. Around the release Metal Fight Beyblade. When I was a kid there was an overwhelmingly large community of youtubers who engineered beyblades from lego. While most of them were better craftsmen than me, in terms of functionality and spin time, I was very focused on the aesthetic and the only reason it became a webcomic is because I used Lego Digital Designer to get png images of the 3D models of my designs which I could put into Anime studio and draw over. There's actually a lot of story prewritten for this.

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