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Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« on: February 08, 2016, 03:44:41 am »
Forums are not perfect. You need the right admins to build it, the right moderators to look over things. And clear rules that anyone can follow.

I have had my fair share of bad experiences. I recently tried forums related to western comics. It was brutal. There was a large group of people who had a lot of problems with newcomers opinions.

Ill bring up one real situation that happened to me. I was talking about Batman series and everything strictly related to it. I personally liked the new rendition of Jason Todd's revival. It felt more related to Batman story. But a lot of fans preferred the old version (which was closely related to Superman prime story line, which is a bigger mess to get into).

Long story short, it was escalating, and fast. A lot of people we're becoming more and more confrontational and calling me a noob. As a newcomer, it is very difficult to use the report button because of how new I  am. But in the end, mods in this specific forum didn't look into who did what. They just closed the thread and allowed the hurtful things to remain.

I realized something. Just because someone closes a topic due to rule breaking, that doesn't make the hurtful things go away. As they say, "whoever has the last laugh wins". This really hurt me in that forum. And when I expressed the forum about it, they said I was over thinking it. But it wasn't that. No one got punished, no one was warned (and I know this because they continued to attack other topics).

Anyways, sorry for ranting. But I just want to make this forum the best it can be. Let me know your personal situations here (no judgement) so I can make sure we don't fall for the same traps other forums do.

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 09:43:52 pm »
I know we discussed this before. But that is pretty common for other forums to do this.

Moderators definitely need to look into the "last laugh" scenario. This has caused a lot of people to continue their behavior.

There are specific forums you just have to avoid:Anything supporting SJW, anything supporting hentai, and anything supporting extreme narrow mindedness. And yes, there are specific forums out there that actively preech not having an open mind. It is insane.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2016, 01:03:32 am by Lumaria »

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 10:44:00 pm »
An ordinary day at MR
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I often see people like that on MR, whether they are mod or a regular/long-time user, it's like they share a common language - to lecture newbies. It's like a mob mentality where even a regular user enforces the rules themselves and what's worse, everyone gangs up and just repeats what the others have already been said.

For my personal experience: On my last day at MR, I saw a post with a wrong spelling. All I did was correct it, no insults were thrown and I didn't judge the person's writing/typing ability. I did it with no malicious intent but simply to straighten it out. On a quick glance, spelling and grammar corrections are most often frowned upon and you could look like you're just trolling around. Then this mod (should I name him?) PM'd me that I should stop or I'll get banned. I replied and told him that I'm not really that concerned and I called him he's being an internet tough guy (which he shouldn't). Just that simple sentence, no heated-arguments and I didn't even insult him (unless calling him an internet tough guy is an insult) and I got the perma-ban. Justice has been served. It didn't really solved any problem, no clarifications, reasoning, or any opportunity to present views. It was clearly a display of unskillful and inexperienced way of handling cases and unprofessionalism.

I wasn't even a troll, I don't have a past records of trolling and I don't remember leaving a bad impression for the community. All my mistake was innocently correct a word.

So to summarize what I've experienced at MR so far are the mob mentality, "Shoving the rules in your face", and inexperienced mods.


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Another case of mob mentality. I was at some game forum. There's this post about seeking an artist, I posted on it and included my price range then the people suddenly bashed at me for being "greedy" for charging money for my services when the project is non-commercial, they're just students, etc.... a lot of hate was thrown at me, they didn't like "artists for hire", they wanted those types that loves their work and does it for art, and passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves. I quit and asked a mod the delete my account.

Moderators definitely need to look into the "last laugh" scenario. This has caused a lot of people to continue their behavior.
Reviewing past records/behavior helps too.

Anything supporting hentai.
Am I in trouble now?

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 11:20:04 pm »
I had a forum I had been on for more than 15 years tell me to stop being me. PC/SJW had just become very fashionable there, so they were cleaning house. Sadly there are only a few of the fun regulars left there now.

As for hurt from things people may say to me.. Meh, I have been stabbed, beaten with bats, had acute pancreatitis, gout, chronic ulcer, I have been tortured by the police, and so many other things. Words just tell me about the person saying them.
If I give someone facts not opinions and they are offended and hurt, that speaks loads about them also.

On the other hand offending fanbois by suggesting that their favorite is not the best, is the worst of crimes and they will come after you for it. Suggest to a DBZ fan on an anime forum, that Superman could beat up Goku and hell will rain down upon you and you will see a dog pile that Odin himself would run from. It is the one thing in their sad little lives and as it is all they have, they will defend it with all they have.
They see themselves as potentially being the character and live vicariously through the character's victories, to suggest the character could lose is an attack on the fanboi's self.
I suspect that in shonen fighting anime the reason that the main character almost always has guaranty of victory (son of a god, super soldier from another planet but raised on earth, a 7 nosed aardvark god is trapped in them, only master of the most deadly martial art, etc) is that it allows the fans a reason why they are not actually the character. Anime like Shadow Skill are less popular because the characters get good by dedicating their life to training and not by having a cheat that allows them to win over "normal" people.


"they wanted those types that loves their work and does it for art, and passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves"
The thing about artists who "love their work and do it for art, and passion" is that they tend to only do their own stuff.

As for "internet tough guy" being an insult.. Yep, it is a pretty high insult.

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 11:57:05 pm »
I suspect that in shonen fighting anime the reason that the main character almost always has guaranty of victory (son of a god, super soldier from another planet but raised on earth, a 7 nosed aardvark god is trapped in them, only master of the most deadly martial art, etc) is that it allows the fans a reason why they are not actually the character. Anime like Shadow Skill are less popular because the characters get good by dedicating their life to training and not by having a cheat that allows them to win over "normal" people.
Yeah, your typical shonen story. There's always a god-mode background with the main characters which separates them from the norm.

As for "internet tough guy" being an insult.. Yep, it is a pretty high insult.
I never knew. For me it was like "So you're a big guy huh?"
Well, the end wasn't pleasant anyway.

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2016, 01:33:13 am »
An ordinary day at MR
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I often see people like that on MR, whether they are mod or a regular/long-time user, it's like they share a common language - to lecture newbies. It's like a mob mentality where even a regular user enforces the rules themselves and what's worse, everyone gangs up and just repeats what the others have already been said.
I think in that particular situation (and I speak from experience from not only MR but inkblazers) that people join just to get someone to help them on their work.

Its not a great way to keep the forum relevant. and I speak from experience that I was one of those who told people to give more on the idea so we knew more about it. but I think most times it just needs to be said once and then a mod take over before it gets out of hand.

But, the mob mentality happens in other places. MR manually removes emails so it shows mods pay attention when they want to.

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For my personal experience: On my last day at MR, I saw a post with a wrong spelling. All I did was correct it, no insults were thrown and I didn't judge the person's writing/typing ability. I did it with no malicious intent but simply to straighten it out. On a quick glance, spelling and grammar corrections are most often frowned upon and you could look like you're just trolling around. Then this mod (should I name him?) PM'd me that I should stop or I'll get banned. I replied and told him that I'm not really that concerned and I called him he's being an internet tough guy (which he shouldn't). Just that simple sentence, no heated-arguments and I didn't even insult him (unless calling him an internet tough guy is an insult) and I got the perma-ban. Justice has been served. It didn't really solved any problem, no clarifications, reasoning, or any opportunity to present views. It was clearly a display of unskillful and inexperienced way of handling cases and unprofessionalism.

I wasn't even a troll, I don't have a past records of trolling and I don't remember leaving a bad impression for the community. All my mistake was innocently correct a word.

So to summarize what I've experienced at MR so far are the mob mentality, "Shoving the rules in your face", and inexperienced mods.[/size]
I noticed the exact same thing. MR has changed completely and have shifted to a less critical but more rule enforced (which some of their rules are bogus).

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Another case of mob mentality. I was at some game forum. There's this post about seeking an artist, I posted on it and included my price range then the people suddenly bashed at me for being "greedy" for charging money for my services when the project is non-commercial, they're just students, etc.... a lot of hate was thrown at me, they didn't like "artists for hire", they wanted those types that loves their work and does it for art, and passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves. I quit and asked a mod the delete my account.

Artists need to eat is what you can say.
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Reviewing past records/behavior helps too.
I noticed in MR, some members took full advantage of it.

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Am I in trouble now?
I am referring to forums, not members. I noticed communities mixed with hentai we're extremely rude and anti-women. Sometimes they would instantly know even if I chose a gender neutral name.

Then I would get a message from a couple women in the forum telling me the forum is suoerceded by mysoginist.

These are some of the WORST forums I've ever been. And it's not the ones exclusive to hentai, just the ones mixed in with it.




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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2016, 04:52:42 am »
I actually don't mind one or two people asking for more information about an OP's writer/artist search post but most often, it really does get out of hand. I also don't like how mods remove emails/links manually.

Tapastic is like that too.

Regarding h-forums. Fakku?
It's one of the few active community site I know so far. I've been there. Intelligent discussions are rare, lots of trolls, one-liner guys (posts and leaves, you can't even start a normal discussion because they'll never check the topic back) and art creation / collaborative activity is very dull.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2016, 05:04:54 am by 変態 »

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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2016, 05:39:10 am »
I actually don't mind one or two people asking for more information about an OP's writer/artist search post but most often, it really does get out of hand. I also don't like how mods remove emails/links manually.

Tapastic is like that too.

Regarding h-forums. Fakku?
It's one of the few active community site I know so far. I've been there. Intelligent discussions are rare, lots of trolls, one-liner guys (posts and leaves, you can't even start a normal discussion because they'll never check the topic back) and art creation / collaborative activity is very dull.
in terms of forums that support it. Theres just no critical mind to it. I'm mixed in with a group that relies on their personal fetishes and doesn't allow a comprehensive topic. Fuwanovel was a place for visual novels but openly accept hentai as a topic. But boy did I run into the biggest idiots in the world.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2016, 04:43:01 pm »
As for "internet tough guy" being an insult.. Yep, it is a pretty high insult.
I never knew. For me it was like "So you're a big guy huh?"
Well, the end wasn't pleasant anyway.

Yeah, an internet tough guy is usually a loser who has been bullied a lot and online tells stories about how dangerous they are. So "internet tough guy" mean "Lying loser".
In your case it sounds like a little man who went power tripping in his own tiny kingdom. Telling him this is still very insulting, even if it is true. Sadly people who were bullied sometimes rush to become bullies, as soon as they get a taste of power.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2016, 12:15:13 pm »
I noticed that some mods have this very behavior. Does power end up twisting their minds or have they cheated the system from the beginning?


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I noticed that some mods have this very behavior. Does power end up twisting their minds or have they cheated the system from the beginning?
I wouldn't say that they have been cheated by the system and certainly wouldn't suggest they have cheated the system. They were not cheated because they had the chance to become powerful in real life if they were willing to put in the effort.

When someone who has lived without power get some and abuses it, I'd say it is nature or simply what they learned from being picked on.
Forums are certainly not the only place where you see it. I have hurt many "marital artists" who decided that they would kick my ass with their newly acquired brown or purple belt (and in tragic cases a white or yellow belt). The funniest case was one who threw a spinning kick at my head and I stepped to catch it in the shoulder, he went straight on his ass as he was standing on glare ice and I was on dry ground, he ran away threatening me once he got back up, I just kept smoking and ignoring his sad attempt.
I have seen where a scrawny social reject gets a job throwing boxes at UPS, puts on some bulk and takes up beating his wife with this new found power.
I trained with a professional body builder who would not go to bars anymore because little men would always try to pick fights with him and would immediately pull a knife or gun to make things "fair".
I see this at conventions when nerds/losers/introverts get a staff vest/shirt and decide they are now Judge Dredd.
People who get their carry permit and do dumb things with their gun.

With the nature of power if you were never taught how to use it responsibly you may revert to nature and abuse it.

On the other side there is a social attempt to undermine those who are strong in their gender's power base. "You think you are so tough sitting there drinking beer in your muscle tank? You going to kick my ass? Hey don't ignore me you brain dead gym rat! Why don't you get out of this bar/convention/etc we do not want people like you here.". In many cases this is counting coup where the little man knows that odds are very good the big man will do nothing and if he can get the big man to leave, he gets huge bragging rights. With women the social warfare gets just plain ugly.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2016, 01:50:36 pm by Crackhead Johny »

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I left MR because no one wanted to look at my stuff. lol Maybe I didn't advertise enough? Maybe they don't care about new guys? Oh well.

Oh, I'm new, lol. I introduced myself in the other page.

I'm a very non-judging, understanding, and bluntly upfront person. If I have a problem with someone, I will tell them what and why. But I never have problems with anyone because I simply don't care enough to take people's crap seriously. It's not that big of a deal. Well... I suppose it would be if they turned the whole site against you. But if that happens, you just leave. Let the trolls troll each other I say. Not saying anyone specifically is a troll. There is a list of things I don't like. I don't like it when people jump to conclusions without trying to understand. Lol and I really find it funny when people have a problem with me and don't tell me about it. No reason to be a little kid, tell me upfront what the problem is, it makes understanding so much easier. It might be a bad thing, but I've started to completely ignore the fact someone dislikes me until they say something about it. I'll expect that nothing is wrong until otherwise.

Anyways, these are all just my opinions and my way of thinking. I hope I didn't bore you. I usually spout my thoughts anywhere I can get. I think a lot, and it all bottles up. lol I really like it when people understand me. I don't care if you agree with me or not, just that you're listening. You can pick and choose witch parts you like and don't like, whatever you want.

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I give a forum a chance...and it's like they want to give people a hard time.

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Who is this MR everyone is speaken of? MR who? He sounds like a piece of stanky stummich fluff

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It's another forum just like Manga Mavericks. I don't want to spread I'll blood. But recently my beef was with a much older forum

 

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