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Terra Stregada Discussion board
« on: August 02, 2016, 07:41:50 pm »
I decided to create a new topic because I made enough adjustments for Terra Stregada and I think it deserves fresh opinions.

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2016, 03:56:04 am »
Having just read through all of the chapter and having a few similarities with Raven personally, I firmly disagree. To me, it showed that she wants to push her limits, that she wants to see what it's like to have something be difficult when what some would consider great feats, such as her puzzle-solving skills, come so easily to her, likely due to an addictive personality. I agree that sex is about intimacy, but I also understand how someone can be comfortable with sex but not something like sleeping beside their partner.

Somewhat off topic, please do not talk to me personally about Fifty Shades, because there was little-to-no research into the BDSM community in that book, and the entire schmuck is just hypersexualized abuse. I won't deny that there are some scumbags like that in our community, but firstly and foremostly, an abuser's history of having been abused does not excuse their behavior. I can't bring myself to stand the series, not to mention that I've read better written BDSM sex scenes from oneshot fanfictions. Fifty Shades is not worth comparing to the meager sex scene in Terra Stregada. In my opinion, it should never have become so successful. It's toxic.

Back to the point, though. I think the reason for our huge difference in opinion isn't due to whether or not we hold sex as sacred, because I certainly do, but rather, I understand the more psychological aspects of having odd fetishes since I tend to psychoanalyze myself frequently on sleepless nights. I've come to many realizations about sex and how it can be more than just pleasure or conception. It can be any number of things, from control to an escape.

Her not being able to achieve orgasm doesn't make sense either. Let me see if I can explain...From what I understand, Raven seems to have a multi-track mind. As such, combined with asphyxiation, it's very clear to me that she falls into that category of escaping, wanting her mind to just shut up and go blank for a little bit. Simultaneously, that can be difficult because her mental prowess is simply part of who she is. In fact, I have to give Lumaria some major props for pulling off a character like that for that scene in particular.

However, especially towards chapter four, I saw less of "Ugh, let's just get this over with" and more of a weak-willed and somewhat wishy-washy character who is just going along with things. It's a little disappointing, because Raven is quite capable. Then again, she lost her purpose, and is kind of in a "void" stage of life, and to top it off, it's her main strength that contributes to her main weakness, that is, she's...incredibly bland, despite being so fun to pick apart. She has these mechanisms going on in her head, but her actions are just bluh. It might make a little more sense if she took some more charge in conversation. I'd recommend looking back and seeing how often she said the word "suppose", or otherwise fell into monotonous speech patterns. Her giving some more intelligent feedback would better suit her character, I feel.

The support characters are fine, I think, and the main antagonist makes sense, so you're pretty set from here. It's a matter of turning "okay" into "excellent". There were a few confusing parts with wording, but with some serious proofreading and some minor tweaking, I'm sure this draft can be finalized into something that really gets the job done.

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2016, 12:30:55 pm »
Having just read through all of the chapter and having a few similarities with Raven personally, I firmly disagree. To me, it showed that she wants to push her limits, that she wants to see what it's like to have something be difficult when what some would consider great feats, such as her puzzle-solving skills, come so easily to her, likely due to an addictive personality. I agree that sex is about intimacy, but I also understand how someone can be comfortable with sex but not something like sleeping beside their partner.
There is something about Raven/Caprice that I haven't fully explained yet but in Chapter 1 she already attempted a quest that she couldn't beat on her own. And rather than trying again she still wanted to quit. She claims it's because of lack of challenge but it's also part of something else.

I will expand further.

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Somewhat off topic, please do not talk to me personally about Fifty Shades, because there was little-to-no research into the BDSM community in that book, and the entire schmuck is just hypersexualized abuse. I won't deny that there are some scumbags like that in our community, but firstly and foremostly, an abuser's history of having been abused does not excuse their behavior. I can't bring myself to stand the series, not to mention that I've read better written BDSM sex scenes from oneshot fanfictions. Fifty Shades is not worth comparing to the meager sex scene in Terra Stregada. In my opinion, it should never have become so successful. It's toxic.
Thanks for the compliment. I definitely don't want TS to feel like a sex centric story. But I used it to give insight on what kind of relation Raven and Adam have.
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Back to the point, though. I think the reason for our huge difference in opinion isn't due to whether or not we hold sex as sacred, because I certainly do, but rather, I understand the more psychological aspects of having odd fetishes since I tend to psychoanalyze myself frequently on sleepless nights. I've come to many realizations about sex and how it can be more than just pleasure or conception. It can be any number of things, from control to an escape.
I am definitely not Caprice/Raven. Although I've written her to be more casual about sex, I personally hold it as something sacred aswell. But it's there to give another side of her relationship. But that scene of course wasn't completely about sex as more insight provided by adam and her when they talk.

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Her not being able to achieve orgasm doesn't make sense either. Let me see if I can explain...From what I understand, Raven seems to have a multi-track mind. As such, combined with asphyxiation, it's very clear to me that she falls into that category of escaping, wanting her mind to just shut up and go blank for a little bit. Simultaneously, that can be difficult because her mental prowess is simply part of who she is. In fact, I have to give Lumaria some major props for pulling off a character like that for that scene in particular.

Could you quote the moment where you thought orgasm? Not that I'm concerned too much. But I see it compromised the character a bit for you. So I want to note that I didn't intend to make it seem like she didn't get an O. The goal was that she could have sex with her boyfriend, but not sleep in the same bed.
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However, especially towards chapter four, I saw less of "Ugh, let's just get this over with" and more of a weak-willed and somewhat wishy-washy character who is just going along with things. It's a little disappointing, because Raven is quite capable. Then again, she lost her purpose, and is kind of in a "void" stage of life, and to top it off, it's her main strength that contributes to her main weakness, that is, she's...incredibly bland, despite being so fun to pick apart. She has these mechanisms going on in her head, but her actions are just bluh. It might make a little more sense if she took some more charge in conversation. I'd recommend looking back and seeing how often she said the word "suppose", or otherwise fell into monotonous speech patterns. Her giving some more intelligent feedback would better suit her character, I feel.

I wanted her to say certain things but I fully admit chapter 1 part 4 is one of my weakest pieces yet. Although she was opening up. I think I'll do more with that. This also come to the fact that I wanted to end the chapter in part 2 or 3. But I was constantly told that I needed to end it in a more conclusive fashion, so I went with the oneshot approach and have chapter 1 just lay the foundation and end like a oneshot. So that's why part4 may not be the best piece of mine.


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The support characters are fine, I think, and the main antagonist makes sense, so you're pretty set from here. It's a matter of turning "okay" into "excellent". There were a few confusing parts with wording, but with some serious proofreading and some minor tweaking, I'm sure this draft can be finalized into something that really gets the job done.
If you want me to clarify certain parts, I can. I'll proofread it and see what I can do.

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2016, 12:41:32 pm »
For my point on the orgasm, I was referring to Tara's comment. I think I got that idea that she did get one from the chapter, and it's not a mark on your writing. I probably should use the quote thing more often, but it can be such a pain with long posts.

As for which specific parts I'd want you to clarify, it's more like a few lines here and there where it seemed like you were going to type one thing, changed your mind, and didn't quite adjust the sentence structure. I think one example was when Allister was thinking about how well Caprice was doing in the fight. The pronoun "you" was thrown in there and the sentence was kinda "what?" Another example was when the admins were scrambling and I think the word "relationship" came up and it seemed like an autocorrect error.

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2016, 12:45:57 pm »
I'm currently working on it now. Chapter 4 may expand. And I may added more. I'm thinking of dividing the chapter up. But we'll see.

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2016, 12:59:01 pm »
I saw that you completed it. Haven't read the new parts. But do you know how to draw backgrounds? Your descriptions of the game are very specific that I would like to see it drawn.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2016, 01:19:36 pm »
Unfortunately backgrounds are something that I'm not good at. I would like to hire someone perhaps to draw backgrounds for me.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 07:35:12 pm »
I've been so busy lately but I finally had time to think about this. I originally wanted chapter 1 be divided into 2 chapters. I'm thinking more and more about going back to the original design.


I know my stories tend to have a more Anime like when it comes to the beginning as for mangas usually start off with a strong one shot. But not all manga do.

Let me know if you feel different.


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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2016, 10:22:44 pm »
Sorry for my late repky. I just read it over again and I think it's a good idea to split it into two chapters. Although I'm not the best at reviews, I would also suggest perhaps explaining the mechanics of the game. Even if it's just the basics.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 10:08:35 pm »
I haven't read all of it yet, but what I have read of part 1 and 2 is nothing that strikes me as in major need of fixing, except one thing.

I don't like the sex scene. Sex is something that is sacred, but people have turned it into something solely for pleasure. I'm not saying that sex is meant only for conception, but that it offers another window to get to know your romantic partner better. When you're intimate with another person in that way, it allows you to become closer mentally. Normally when I see books or movies add in sex scenes all I see are two individuals trying to pleasure themselves and if I wanted to see that I'd watch some pornography.

When I added it in. It wasn't to promote the idea of sacredness sex. We all have our views but just because you share different morals doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the story.

Also just because I added it in the story doesn't mean I share the same value.

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Maybe you did intend for that to tell us something about her, but obviously you were being very cryptic about it. Normally in your dialogue you're very blunt. Like you're screaming at the reader "Here's some information about this character!" And then suddenly the sex scene comes up and you get quiet. I've never read 50 shades of gray, but it's likely it was so well received because of this concept. 50 Shades of Gray wasn't just about sex for pleasure, it was about sex that revealed another side of Christian Gray's personality, if that's his name, through a sexual fetish. I only know because my favorite singer is Christon Gray and some people thought I was talking about the book. He's even written songs about people comparing him to that book, but moving on.

I wasn't trying to be too cryptic. You're trying to analyze only the sex scene and not what comes with it.

In fact i didnt even want to be  fully detailed about the scene although I did just wanted to show that she had certain quirks.

But the real reason why 50 shades of gray was popular was because women who knew nothing about BDSM were getting high off the idea of it (no matter how inmacurate it was portrayed). This however isn't just to show a hint of Caprice but what kind of relationship both Adam and Caprice have. Especially since what happens after in my opinion was more important and I didn't think it had the same impact if she just randomly left the bedroom.

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        In the scene you show off a choking fetish Raven has. It doesn't tell us a lot about her. This kind of masochism doesn't develop on her game-playing, challenge-seeking self that you've been building up to this point.
for a beginning and a reserved introverted character. I would say that using that scene to contradict what I've shown so far isn't wrong. Especially when sex can reveal a lot of things about a person that they don't normally show off in public. But the masochistic aspects about her are actual traits about her that are going to be relevant, although it's not explicit yet (especially in part 1 and 2)

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It always comes at a surprise to find a girl with that fetish because it really doesn't define her at all. The problem is in the scene before it, where Raven is having dinner with Adam you build up this conflict with her being focused on the game and he's tired of it, but you don't give us any closure on it.
There isn't suppose to be closure on it. I wrote them in a very passive way. Everything that you see is more of the day to day lifestyle. It was all only to reveal how Adam and Raven have been living like since their relationship.


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Then they have sex and as the reader you think oh it's the big sex scene time for some closure on that conflict, time hit the literary and the sexual climax, and then there's choking. . . Maybe you could have him choke too hard because he's angry, Instead of her saying harder, she would say "too hard". Sex is a good chance to let off steam, and, for most people, it's therapeutic against stress. Some couples even like to play sexual games rather than simple intercourse.
The problem wasn't that she was choking too hard. You are looking at a scene and not reading what comes with it. If this would ever drawn it would take at most half a page.
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I would suggest using the sex to show the weaknesses, or strengths, in their relationship. Maybe even she never reaches orgasm because she's focused on the game. And then maybe have sex come up later when their relationship is stronger and they have a more pleasant time together. To put it simply, sex isn't some little thing you can throw into your story, it's huge especially with the effect it has on our society. This one scene is basically the difference between this story and a huge demographic it could be opened to. . . not that any ratings would stop them from reading it, but it still shouldn't be taken lightly.

You have different views on it far different than anyone else. And for that reason that you are probably not reading it the right way. But also you read everything about Raven and Adam the wrong way from even before the scene.

I intended to show how her relationship is with Adam. That one particular scene is just a piece of a bigger picture going on.

I revealed

A) Adam does the cooking and demands more from Raven to become social. He's aggressive.

B) Raven isn't good at talking.

C) despite having such polar personalities they have a physical connection. But despite that Raven and her personal issues cause her to not be able to sleep on the same bed.

I will clarify that scene better. But you are taking so much from a scene that was suppose to be part of something bugger. Keep your views about sex aside and see it for what it is.


Because even if intended to be drawn it's still mildly censored

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Re: Terra Stregada Discussion board
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 04:05:22 am »
SOME UPDATES:
#1) I renamed Raven to Brigid (no, I didn't attempt to name her Bridget tell either). I felt her real name was far too distinguished from her in-game name that they didn't feel like it came from the same person. I kept Adam as I felt he needed a strong and simple name.

#2) Allister and Morrigan were too much of the dynamic duo that they didn't feel like distinguished characters. So I moved the dialogue around. Allister is more reserved but calculative and Morrigan is more outspoken and quick action.

#3) I added a few scenes and expanded others. I'm still working on refining some of these new scenes as it may hold remnants of old dialogue.


#4)  Now as for the infamous sex scene. I don't think the problem is having at all but just the over analysis of it. I fully intended it to be just a piece of the bigger picture of Brigid/Adam's relationship...as a writer I want to convey everything I possibly can "naturally". I didn't make an extensive sex scene because if I did that I wouldve wanted you to look at every detail or id be writing smut for the sake of it.

As a +18 rating I expected readers to instantly know these scenes would appear on occasion

In this particular case it plays important role, as in my eyes it explains to some degree how two polarizing characters can live together and say they are in a relationship. And it's very real for two people who shouldn't be with eachother be together for trivial reasons such as that.

The one and only intention I want the reader to grab is what kind of relationship Brigid has with Adam. In fact the original revision never had it in the first place but was left unconvinced why these characters were together at all.

the sex scene is not meant to be a stand-alone. It's suppose to be taken alongside the dinner scene, the way they speak to eachother and what happens after the physical chemistry. The biggest piece of the problem is that Caprice/Brigid are available for the physical needs, not the emotional.

So I compromised a little by adding more exposition on what happens after and also making the main story tie in aswell. I attempted to rework Adam's letter and Brigid's responce as well. But that was the intended goal. If you have good alternatives, I'd be happy to look into.

Also...  I'm currently very busy working on some real projects with actual money involved as well and I try to prioritize this just to set an example of what could be done in an MMO. Borrowing themes mostly from SAO and showing how it could be handled. (Except characters. They're unredeemable in my eyes).



« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 04:23:13 am by Lumaria »

 

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