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« on: May 23, 2017, 03:38:41 am »
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Re: Blade Regalia
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 09:27:58 am »
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A UE4 video game project of mine. A unique blend of fighting game and moba. However, where mobas are focused on destroying structures, Blade Regalia is focused on capturing an objective like popular first person shooters. A genre only a handful of games have ever touched on.
MOBA = Multiplayer Online Battle Arena = Fighting game . Nothing unique there .

League of Legends and Heroes of the Storm . There aren't much MOBA games out there so even two games sample is more than enough of a size . Also , I don't see the defined difference in destroying structures and capturing an objective in MOBA games that would make it revolutionary .

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 02:29:18 pm »
I'm not too concerned by the game you are making and more about the story. I read it. It isn't clear what is going on. I would normally treat this as a chapter 0 or prologue where the next chapter is where the story begins but it seems like the story wants to continue directly from this point.


So I recommend continuing writing until it feels comolete. I dont know who are the main characters are or the objective of the story.

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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 04:59:27 pm »
This looks like it's combining both Kill la Kill and Akame ga Kill. I'm not sure what tot think of it. The idea of regalia isn't new and pretty generic. If you can somehow give them a unique backstory then it might be interesting but so far nothing is really drawing me in because I don't know what the appeal of the story is.

It seems like you want the appeal to be about the regalia.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 01:16:33 am »
I just read it. I thinking a good start. The idea sounds basic IMO. Not that it's a bad thing but I'll leave the reviewing to the others. I'll let you know how I feel about it when you add more.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 07:55:38 am »
Seeing that it's a story for the game as opposed to a story that had a game as one of it's main setting , I'll leave it as that . Otherwise , I won't hesitate to highlight the fallacies you had stated there . Let's just say that it'll a counter-argument from a gamer myself who plays mainly MMO and MOBA games .

Like Lumaria had already mentioned earlier , I didn't give my thoughts on the story simply because it's too early and too incomplete to give one . So , ditto on that . I got a notion that you might fall into the same mistakes you've did with your previous story , but that's just me .

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 11:01:44 pm »
If you have seen Akame Ga Kill it does practically the same concept but it doesn't focus on the Imperial Arms. So far you haven't done a good job drawing readers in with what you want them to care. The very basics of this world are missing and nothing seems to fit.

I definitely don't think it's a good idea to have a direct reference to the Bible so quickly without giving a full break down of that lore and how it shaped the story. Hinting the lore of the world and not giving us the basic layout adds a huge gap. I don't even think you need the reference of Eve/snake. There's a huge disconnect from that to the current situation you're showing off.

Quickly naming the regalia also doesn't have a strong appeal but it tells me you are already invested in them before we get any build up to them or why they're interesting . I simply not gravitated to them at all, First of you described or restricted to armor or clothing. So I already know all regalia is going to be something they wear.

To have a story focus on regalia just seems off. I think Regalia should naturally be interesting but it doesn't seem natural In this story. In Akame Ga Kill, Imperial Arms are simply instruments to a more important story. What Akame Ga Kill truly focuses on is how dark the world can be and how corrupt it can be. They  explained Imperial Arms fairly quickly but never feel like you're missing information.

If you're trying to adapt a video game story into a manga or comic. I'm already going to tell you that no one will read it because it for the story. People read those adaptations to see if they can find any differences from the original game or get some slight insight on it. But never to see if the story is good.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 11:31:20 am »
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You seem to have a lot of hostility towards me. Maybe you're unaware of it, maybe you're not. I did not lash out at you, I'd like it if you did not lash out at me.
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If you are under the impression that League of Legends and Archeblade are played exactly the same way, then I have to disagree. If you are under the impression that MOBAs are few and far between, then I have to strongly disagree. It's okay to be wrong about something even if you don't like me. It's okay.
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Wait , what ? Woah there ! Since when did I ever lash out there ? When would I have such impressions you assume it would be ? You're making too early of a conclusion .

Now , all of what you did above rubs off as borderline 'passive aggressive' and snarky . That's just you still unable to swallow hard facts given to you on the previous issue and get past it yourself . I'm giving you what I know and know is proven facts (I won't give rumors and gossips as critique/feedback) . You're going to have to take it head on again if the game manages to make debut and I'm sure one or two known game critic I've heard of would not go easy on you .

I would take a risky shot (the word 'garmble' seems to be censored) and go completely off-topic by presenting my counter-argument , but coupled with the above and this :

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There are about 30 MOBAs on that list vs maybe 4 MOFGs ever to be released. 2 of them by indie studios, Archeblade and Blade Symphony. I know because I love playing these types of games but nobody makes them because they're too busy copying DotA2. I would play For Honor, but the price is a bit higher than my interest in it.
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There are actually hundreds of MOBA, The biggest moba esport title is Defense of The Ancients 2.
I wouldn't even bother giving anymore factual thoughts on this matter (Not going to deal with this anymore with someone whom I had to paint myself as the villain in the previous incident) . These are from your words you've typed out yourself and you somehow made that correction after things got heated up when I made my second post on the same post where you refer me to a link I've known of and been there since I've made my first post .

Here , let me give you a secret - I'm not perfect . I too do not know just how many MOBA games are there in total (but I already know there ain't much) . So I immediately start doing some researching and better absorb all of the knowledge on it before I commit myself to a counter-argument .

I'm not always all-knowing .

You , however , made that flub by providing along with the post with the correction the link tells me clearly that :

a) You did not do any form of research before committing yourself to a project and/or you're just not doing it properly/trying harder at all because all you refer me is to a wiki page , which I will assume that it's one of the very , very few source of your references for research purpose .
b) You only use/do your research out of self-defense and/or when you're cornered , which happened before in the previous incident . Otherwise , you probably had no clue at all what you're doing and/or saying .
c) You're being pretentious whenever there are people coming at you with a counter-argument by attempting to throw claims that gets nonsensical as time passes by .
d) You seek/wanted to be in the right . So you showcase that haphazardly and piously tell off someone who had the better experience's argument as inferior , to the point that it can become a religious preaching from you . If it's wrong , we'll tell you because we know it's wrong . If it's right , we won't even open our mouth about it and just nod our heads .

Okay , let's just say that you are a gamer yourself and you're more hard-core than me (not that difficult , I'm very casual of a gamer) . If you are , why did you hit a lot of the 'SAO' fallacies on your previous story ?

Unless the game and the story are an entity like your previous story is , stop with the games thing with me right after this post and I'll definitely stop , but I already did - I've made myself clear there before .

Now please , get back and complete up your story .

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 11:31:36 pm »
Well let's not get too heated this time. I do hope you work on your series.

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 09:37:06 am »
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a) You did not do any form of research before committing yourself to a project and/or you're just not doing it properly/trying harder at all because all you refer me is to a wiki page , which I will assume that it's one of the very , very few source of your references for research purpose .
b) You only use/do your research out of self-defense and/or when you're cornered , which happened before in the previous incident . Otherwise , you probably had no clue at all what you're doing and/or saying .
c) You're being pretentious whenever there are people coming at you with a counter-argument by attempting to throw claims that gets nonsensical as time passes by .
d) You seek/wanted to be in the right . So you showcase that haphazardly and piously tell off someone who had the better experience's argument as inferior , to the point that it can become a religious preaching from you . If it's wrong , we'll tell you because we know it's wrong . If it's right , we won't even open our mouth about it and just nod our heads .
a) the types of things I have been researching are not the game industry, but game development. I'm not the only one behind this project, but my job is to build it. As with all things I do, blade regalia exists because it doesn't exist. If another game company was willing to make blade regalia I would put everything down and gladly play it.

You said nothing new here to which I argued it is indeed a rare genre. The game itself is a combination of Mortal Kombat and Overwatch. I called it MOBA because I didn't know there was a better name for it because there are so few games in this genre that there isn't a well known name for it.

If you asked me a question about UE4 It'd probably be easier for me to answer. If you asked me a question about 3D studio it would probably be easier for me to answer. I've played a lot of mobas my problem is the gameplay is too slow (relative to a game like Mortal Kombat). The team play is MOBAs only redeeming factor, but my question is why can't we have that and Mortal Kombat at the same time? My research pertained to deciphering whether or not that game did exist.

If you know a game that is exactly what I'm looking for then please direct me to it. I stand to gain nothing from being right in this situation, the gamer in me wants nothing more than to be wrong. Aside from the fact that Blade Regalia is potentially a profitable venture.
Quoting A , B and D .

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b) There is a nice way to say the speed of gravity is 9.81 m/s and a mean way to say that. The fact that I prefer the nice way has nothing to do with whether or not I believe gravity exists.
Quoting C .

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d) Although in some way it's the opposite, who doesn't? Who goes out of their way to be wrong in any situation? If I'm wrong, I think I'm right. It's not my fault if you fail to convince me. Nobody who is wrong thinks they're wrong. That would be a liar. It's not that I want to be right, it's that I'm convinced that I am right.
Quoting D . Also , flub spotted .

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I called you hostile because you're clearly holding a year old grudge against me. You're not perfect, neither am I. I can admit there are not hundreds of MOBA if that's the main problem you have with my arguments. I can admit the thought process behind that statement was not malicious, but it was not scholarly either. I'm not asking you to nail yourself to a cross, but consider forgiveness is more a service to you than the person you're forgiving.
Quoting C and D .

Summarizing this all :

- You're "preaching" now , again .
- You're still talking about game stuff .
- You've got problem reading , big time .
- Last incident shenanigans all over again ... deja vu much ?
- Point E) Irony runs in your blood .
- You are going to respond to this post as well . I can bet my life for that .
- Point F-


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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 04:52:05 am »
Listen. I really hope things don't get out of hand I know we all have our differences. But in the end we all just want to show a good story right? Let's be calm. Always be open to critique but also try not to get too involved in personal issues.

I know we can work it out.

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2017, 03:12:22 am »
I decided to move this into the develop your story due to it being a work in progress that may change significantly. I hope everyone is ok with this.

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2017, 06:51:34 am »
You seem to fall again with the exact same problems.

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A nu_de woman is frolicking through a beautiful garden. She stops to converse with a snake who is wrapped tightly around the branch of a tree producing a foreign fruit.

Narrator: The serpent, though full of lies, knew the best way to make a lie convincing is to put some truth into it. It’s true, after we ate the fruit we became like God. And as we were enlightened, we crafted the first regalia out of the leaves of the garden which gave us the strength to fend for ourselves.

immediately you don't give us enough context to the situation. Narration adds an opinion of how cunning the serpent was about the lie but you don't mention what the actual lie is. Even if taken directly off the bible it has to be repeated here to give it context.

Narrator: People never stopped wanting to become God. War broke out across the land in the rush for power people began to craft stronger, more efficient regalia. They turned soldiers into weapons of mass destruction, and humanity nearly eradicated itself. For the sake of future generations, the art of crafting regalia was taken to our ancestors’ graves. It has been long since forgotten.

Just because I know that the first sentence is a reference to the Lie the serpent mentioned doesn't mean everyone who knows. But you are immediately rushing to tell us a passage of time that just doesn't help paint a proper picture. You haven't exactly explained to us the impact of Regalia made to this world and already you are mentioning that due to war more efficient regalia are needed?

Narrator: Now we wear the regalia left over from the wars handed down over generations for a thousand years. The regalia I wear fits me purely by coincidence, but it doesn’t suit me at all. It was crafted over a thousand years ago for the arch bishop’s daughter.

Could be structured better. But now you are giving too much information. Why do we need to know that the narrator's regalia doesn't suit them at all. Why do we need to know it was crafted over a 1000 yewrs ago (in which makes more sense to mention earlier) and what context does it matter to us the reader that it is for the Arch Bishops daughter? These things can be explained in their own time but not as n introduction to this story.

The scene changes to a young girl dressed in the clothing of a traditional nun. We are shown that she is the narrator who spoke. She is in a room of a chapel where many clothes are hung up, a wardrobe of regalia. She is accompanied by a knight in a full suit of armor but no helmet. He is quite tall and middle aged with silver hair cut short and sky blue eyes.

Knight: What do you mean it doesn’t suit you, Lady Helen? Well I’m sure she wasn’t as mature as you, but you love the Lord just as much as she did.

Helen: She was a lot fonder of pink than I am. I would’ve gone for a different color.

Knight: Pink? Your habit is black and white. Wait do you mean-
Odd wordage. And I say that fully knowing you are referring to Religious habit which another word for garb
 In this case we are talking about regalia so that word doesn't need to be ised.


Helen looks at him. The Knight blushes.

Knight: The underwear?

Helen: Haha, you said underwear!

Knight: I take back what I said about you being mature.
A very forced joke. Helen making a big deal out of someone saying underwear. It's not a clever like or a natural one. It's these moments that I like to describe "forced reaction" when characters say something so nonsensical only to spark a reaction.

Helen: I’m only joking, Lucius. Looks can be deceiving in this day and age. And at my age, most people wouldn’t see a leader in me. But just as God shaped my body to fit into these clothes he called me to this position for a reason.

Lucius: You are the Oracle of Sanctum.

Helen: But I’m not strong enough, not with this regalia.

Lucius: Not strong enough for what?

Helen: I had a vision. There is a new king of Pulvia, his armies will destroy Fort Peter and he will come to this church himself and demand that we bow down and worship him, or be destroyed.
unnecessarily long sentence and bad sentence structure.

The girl reaches for a dress adorned with many swords entitled the “Blade Regalia”.

Helen: But if I were to wear one of these, the most powerful regalia in all of the land, perhaps, I could have the power to stop him myself.

So again. Lack of context here. The general story feels incredibly simple which isnt a terrible since you need to get back to basics to understand a story. But like a said before you still need to give us the foundation of that story. Not enough to paint a proper picture. What is Pulvia? An opposing kingdom? A kingdom that they are allied with or just a random distant kingdom?

You also make mention of the four most powerful regalia in the land and there's no proper description going on in this story. But it leaves the question of why are the four regalia there? And where exactly is she.


Lucius: You know you can only draw power from a regalia if it fits you properly. You’re much too small to fit into a dress like that.

Helen: I know but I just hate feeling like this. Demons are among us wearing humans as clothing, thousands of Sanctum’s citizens are suffering in poverty, and now this. And I’m stuck here meditating and reading all day. I feel so useless. I wish I could do more.

Lucius: You’ve done more than enough for all of the people of Sanctum. We are at your service, Helen. If there’s anything you need from me, you need but ask.

She turns to him.

Helen: Then I do have a request. There are four sets of regalia here. I need you to find the people who can fit into these regalia.

in this scene it perfectly shows how you don't understand the position these characters are in. This Helen is clearly has governmental position yet everything is explained too casually. In what should sound like an important strategy meeting sounds like a lazy conversation between 2 characters.


The scene changes to a medieval nobleman’s home made of brick. In the garden behind the house a man and a woman are practicing swordplay in a duel against one another. The two fight as equals until the woman makes a sloppy decision. The man takes advantage of the opening and stops his weapon just before her throat as a sign of defeat.

The Man: It’s not like you to be this sloppy, Katherine. Something on your mind?

Katherine: Sorry, Dad, I just

The Father: Your enemy won’t let you get away with that sloppy performance

You mentioned sloppy three times. Try to use a thesaurus when you mention these things. A more accurate word would be careless. But additionally we don't know what she did exactly that made it seem "sloppy".

Katherine: I don’t want to join the military, Dad.

The Father: Katherine, you know it’s our duty to serve our country as a Knight of noble blood.

He places his hand on her shoulder. Understanding her distress.

The Father: Sometimes we have to do things we don’t like, it’s a part of life. . . I think that’s enough practice for today. We’ll pick it up tomorrow.

Katherine: Alright.

Later that afternoon, Katherine is sitting on a bench in the garden reading a book. An older woman walks up to her.

The Woman: Katherine, this is second time you’ve missed dance rehearsal, you know they need you in the praise team.

Katherine: Sorry, Mom, but I’m old enough to start looking for a husband, and I

The Mother: That’s no reason to skip out on your obligations to the church

Katherine: Am I not allowed to feel excited about this?

The Mother: Katherine. You need to get your priorities straight. Who comes first? God or-

Katherine: Well the church and God are two different things-

The Mother: Katherine! Not another word.

This argument makes absolutely no sense. It looks like an important piece of dialogue is missing to make better sense of this. Katherine is excited for...what exactly? And there's also dance rehearsal for what exactly? I thought her family was dedicated to training her to be a soldier. So how does that correlate with dance rehearsal?

The father approaches them accompanied by two members of the church, a blonde woman and a brown-haired man.

Katherine (Thinking): Inquisitors? But we already had our examinations this year.

The Blonde: Sorry to interrupt Mrs. Smith, but prophet Helen has ordered that we perform a physical examination of all citizens. Do not be alarmed, this is purely routine.

The Mother: Of course, this is my only daughter, Katherine.
of all citizens, and the mother offers her daughter first? It seems unnecessary unless they specifically had no need for the mother. But context would need to be added.

The Blonde: It’s nice to meet you, Katherine. My name is Evie Thompson, and I’ll be your examiner today.

The scene changes to a more private room within the house where Evie is taking Katherine’s measurements. Stripped down to her undergarments, Katherine isn’t the least bit embarrassed; in fact, she is holding a conversation with the inquisitor.

Katherine: I swear talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. I don’t want to serve in the military. I wouldn’t have to if I married out of this family. I just want to be able to settle down, have a family and live a normal life.

Evie: Amen to that.
I feel like this moment was to force exposition on the character rather than properly explain. You Don't dedicate scenes where characters express themselves and that's not good here. I feel like every scene you make absolutely has to move the story into the next stage and it destroys proper character building.

Evie’s eyes widen as she takes the last measurement.

Evie (Speaking to herself): You-you’re a perfect fit.

Katherine: Excuse me?

Evie: Get dressed, quickly.

Evie leaves the room as Katherine puts her clothes back on.

Katherine: What was that all about?

Katherine (Thinking): “perfect fit” . . . for a regalia?

Evie returns with the other inquisitor.

The Man: Ms. Smith, we need you to come with us.

Evie: I’m really sorry about this, Katherine.

Okay at this point I don't feel the need to make it so alarming. You already hinted multiple times that Regalia don't respond to just physical capable but mentally aswell. So here you can further enforce that idea by having Evie doubt she is compatible for a regalia but taking her in just because protocol requires it.

The inquisitors take Katherine to the Cathedral where Helen was speaking with Lucius. The take her to the wardrobe room where only Helen and two others were waiting, a boyish young man and a young woman no older than Katherine. Katherine quickly bows down with her head to the ground.

Helen: Please, tell me your name.

Katherine: Katherine Angela Smith, I’m at your service, ma’am.
This scene also makes no sense either. Here she is willing to serve Helen. But no context as to why. Does Katherine recognize her as a valid authority? Why? She was clearly against the church in the early part of the story. 

Helen kneels down and pulls Katherine’s head up by her chin.

Helen: Rise up Katherine, for this is a momentous occasion. Sanctum is in a time of crisis. The armies of Pulvia have risen up under a new king. Our armies are not strong enough to face this new enemy and so we must take advantage of the regalia left behind by our ancestors

Once again this is a very poor explanation. You had a chance to give proper exposition and you didnt. I'm asking the same questions I am in the beginning.
Katherine’s eyes widen and she remembers Evie’s mysterious apology.

Katherine (Thinking): Eli . . .

Helen: The Lord has chosen you three to wear the regalia because you are the only ones who can.

Katherine (Thinking): Eli . . .

Helen: You are our last line of defense. You will have the power to move mountains at your fingertips. Say goodbye to your normal lives.

Katherine (Thinking): Lema sabachthani!

Translation: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Very dramatic very fast. And again no context to Regalia. They are just to super weapon X that you never properly establish.


OVERALL:
this was poorly written.....the hasty writing initially I ignored because it strongly resembled a vague prologue we will get some context imediately. But the holes are all over the place. It still feels incomplete.

You describe certain scenes but not all. I still have no idea what this world is. In the end these characters feel empty. Tara, you always have this problem where you have a better grasp of the story in tour head but you simply don't bring enough of it on screen or paper.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2017, 04:19:24 pm »
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Another flub spotted . New =/= Unique

And I had already decided to no longer reply until I get enough story chapters from you to give you a good feedback - I was ready for it . But you came back , demanding respect after calling me out as rude twice and shrug me off all haughty there just because I used a meme ?

Let remind you again that all of these are spawned by you , not me . Your mindset and workings are still stucked in the past and it's still repeating itself . All of that point I've highlighted is not only limited to how your argument in general looks like , it also roughly dictates how your story would end up being like . You know , let me "guide" you on what I meant behind the post that led you to do what you do right now .

Seeing that it's a story for the game as opposed to a story that had a game as one of it's main setting , I'll leave it as that . Otherwise , I won't hesitate to highlight the fallacies you had stated there . Let's just say that it'll a counter-argument from a gamer myself who plays mainly MMO and MOBA games .

Like Lumaria had already mentioned earlier , I didn't give my thoughts on the story simply because it's too early and too incomplete to give one . So , ditto on that . I got a notion that you might fall into the same mistakes you've did with your previous story , but that's just me .
Eventhough it sounds like it comes off from a person with flat-emotions , basically , I'm admitting to my own fault that I was talking about the game aspect as if the story and the game are one , like your previous story is (or was) and thought as such (my first post) . So , I decided to end with 'TL;DR' , but you've decided to take an offense over my self-admittance and inadvertently turn this into your fault - by talking about games , defending your POV . Hence , those four points about you in general are made .

States that if you want to discuss about games , I would gladly do so , but this is not the right place to do so , but you've decided to continue on , effectively turning this into an off-topic . You broke the rules there , not me .

In simple term , I would give feedback on both the story AND the game if it's a one piece , but since I can't derail this topic and I can't give and substantial input on the story aspect of it (During the time it was posted) , that's all I can say .

Was an expectation from the past incidents that either I was in or had read about you on the internet . I was very optimistic still , even after that past incident , that I could be wrong , but I was right , sadly - you're repeating it , even now .

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For the point that sparks you into being 'Passive Aggressive' again in the latest post , I'll sweeten it for you :

a) You did not do any form of research before committing yourself to a project and/or you're just not doing it properly/trying harder at all because all you refer me is to a wiki page , which I will assume that it's one of the very , very few source of your references for research purpose .
b) You only use/do your research out of self-defense and/or when you're cornered , which happened before in the previous incident . Otherwise , you probably had no clue at all what you're doing and/or saying .
c) You're being pretentious whenever there are people coming at you with a counter-argument by attempting to throw claims that gets nonsensical as time passes by .
d) You seek/wanted to be in the right . So you showcase that haphazardly and piously tell off someone who had the better experience's argument as inferior , to the point that it can become a religious preaching from you . If it's wrong , we'll tell you because we know it's wrong . If it's right , we won't even open our mouth about it and just nod our heads .
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To put in more detail , you're LITERALLY taking it on the surface of things , be it right or wrong as opposed to attempting at interpreting it in many other ways and forms . You are even using the the dictionary the wrong way , further evident when you've made FNO before .

This supports the point in yellow in a way that , if no one shows you that it's wrong , you'd continue being in the wrong and will always be in the wrong . You'd be always in the dark , not willing to take anything outside your box , only taking anything from completely unknown resources unless you're being told to the point that it becomes forceful - that's what a shut-in would behave .

Further blown up by the two points above , the more in-depth our facts go , the more further out of reality your point goes and it's happening here , just like how the changes of your previous story had become .

This perfectly illustrates your shortcomings of your past and why it's very evident till this day , you've hardly ever changed . Coupled with your stubbornness , which in the other site , one other user had already warn you about the shortcoming of this as a writer (or any creative development , for that matter) . Because of this , it spawned all of these post by you , still defending your position .

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Summarizing this all :

- You're "preaching" now , again .
- You're still talking about game stuff .
- You've got problem reading , big time .
- Last incident shenanigans all over again ... deja vu much ?
- Point E) Irony runs in your blood .
- You are going to respond to this post as well . I can bet my life for that .
- Point F-

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Quoting D , underlined , referring to your quote , underlined :
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I called you hostile because you're clearly holding a year old grudge against me. You're not perfect, neither am I. I can admit there are not hundreds of MOBA if that's the main problem you have with my arguments. I can admit the thought process behind that statement was not malicious, but it was not scholarly either. I'm not asking you to nail yourself to a cross, but consider forgiveness is more a service to you than the person you're forgiving.
Which supports point in pink below .

Referring to first section above and * below .

Self-explanatory . Take a look at what you think I'm referring to when I made that conclusion highlighted in yellow :
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A. If I "preach" about gravity does that mean gravity doesn't exist? Are ad hominems all you have left? You're better than that.
Well ?


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D. Can't say I recall.
There's your problem - you had no clue what you're doing and/or saying in the first place and now and since all of the shenanigans you've made is now in the bin , I can't point that out and now , you can't remember it happening and in the end , you're repeating it again (basically , quoting point B) . It's another thing to forget about the past and moving on , it's another to forget about the past , learned from it and moving on . Those who learned their lessons from their past are almost guaranteed to not commit the same thing again twice (ideally) . You , however , have not at all so far . If this is happening again , what makes me think that you won't do the same to this story or any future discussions and for that matter ?

Point in question :
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d) Although in some way it's the opposite, who doesn't? Who goes out of their way to be wrong in any situation? If I'm wrong, I think I'm right. It's not my fault if you fail to convince me. Nobody who is wrong thinks they're wrong. That would be a liar. It's not that I want to be right, it's that I'm convinced that I am right.
And when I meant it's a flub , it's irony and it's a bulls-eye to my point D . By stating that nobody who is in the wrong thinks that they're wrong , you're associating all living beings as such , me , Lumaria or anyone else who has had even the slightest disagreement with you . And from the looks of it , you are also being included there as well because well ... "everyone" , right ? Self-admittance when I've already stated the obvious , that's irony .

And the previous flub , it's not just what has been quoted there that presents itself as a flub but it sure sums up most of the post there and I wasn't even associating it with me talking about games or you talking about it .


Was an expectation that you might respond to it because even if I didn't put any form of malicious remarks or connotations , you'd still find it 'offensive' enough that you'll reply , going all 'passive aggressive' again . Because this happens , I would beg on my knees and kindly ask you to get psychiatric help because you're totally not in the right mind .

Listen :

- I respect your story , regardless how bad it is , just like how I've respected other people's story whom I've given critique on , even artworks before .
- I respect the game you've created , regardless how bad it might become (even if I don't even know of it) , just like how I did with the games I've played which are genuinely horrendous .
- I respect your religious belief and it's teachings , if it guided you well , good for you !

If you want more of my respect :

*- Now that I've clarified my point that states that I've stopped talking about it right at that post , stop talking about game stuffs in this thread and start a new topic on the game stuff in the relevant section . I kept telling you not to , you kept pushing on ! Rules are there for all to follow , so abide to it . But then again , how are you going to start something that has very little to do with critiquing your game in the first place ?
- Stop "Preaching" your bibles at me . I absolutely detest your attempts at "preaching" forgiveness to me to forgive you . That belief is yours and yours only and it's not for others who don't follow it to have to follow under - they are supposed to be willingly to agree and follow it , not being shoved into their mouth like you did . Who are you , ISIS ?
- Learn to read the fine line of what's written to you . You're also a writer so where's your attempt of proofreading your own posts (look at those flubs) ? If you'd even bother re-reading your own post , I wouldn't even caught you before for actually being rude yourself and even possibly making the same blatant mistakes you've made before whenever you write out a story .
- Stop with the referencing to wiki , Merriam-Webster , Oxford or whatever dictionaries , directly and literally to me to back up points - it does not make your point and defense any smarter and your story any less stiff and dull as it was . Have you ever check their reference links at the bottom of their page ? Or even experimenting with other definition of it ? This is supporting point A and B .
- Stop judging everything based on your feelings . I'm being objective here , not being an arse to you , like you are to me now . This is not a battle of sensitivity and love and you're playing that battle with me instead of staying objective .
- Stop assuming everything has to go your way . That's how you see things a new light and see the whole different uses of your references . You even begin to see critiques in a whole different viewpoint .
- Stop judging the slightest change in wording as being offensive . False accusations are almost usually a reflection of your own flaws . I know of my own faults and had managed it in certain ways that either it's gone or in control . What I do know is this - none of the accusations are for me , it's for you . Ad-hominems ? Right back at you . 'Offensive' ? Rude ? Right back at you . Backtracking ? Right back at you , multiple times . The more you throw accusations and defenses at me , the more it reflects itself back at you simply because it wasn't even referencing me at all . Even with all of these accusations , I'm STILL not even remotely mad but rather it's getting increasingly frustrating . So , stop it ! Geez ...

http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gaskilld/criticalthinking/six%20common%20fallacies.htm
https://www.dangerandplay.com/2015/03/19/the-law-of-reflection-yes-this-article-is-about-you/
http://outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/11/4/projection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection


HINT : Notice that I'm linking you to more than one and not just the obvious sources ? Also , I read them all .

Now , I'm going to violate the rules of privacy by telling you this - I personally asked Orchid to unlock this thread . I don't know who locked it in the first place , but I want it unlocked just so that you can keep posting your story just so that I can read your story and give my insights about it , not about the game - that demands another thread on it's own . Now tell me , who's being 'offensive' and rude here again ? You can proceed to requesting a perma-ban on me to justify your actions just so you can walk away a winner on the internet . I find it worthless of a title .

All of these 'pointing fingers at you' as mentioned by you isn't directly at you , rather your thought process and how you present your counter-arguement on a completely off-topic matter and all the flaws you've made in your previous story are projecting roughly to exactly the same kind of pattern - flat/bland (Translating point A) , detached (Translating point B) , sudden/abrupt diversions (Translating point D) and disarray/chaotic/nonsensical (Translating point C) . I haven't begun reading your revised story yet so if I do offer my feedback on your story and the flaws stated above are there , all I can say is 'I told you so , much to my disappointment' .

I'll read your story when I got lots more time . Now , you've got to wait till the next weekend where my off-days are to even review it . If you still want one ASAP , wait for it while I brew a strong coffee and finish up 6 pages of line-art .

EDIT : Someone posted a feedback on your story . Welp .

EDIT 2 : I had to go to work by the time I made this edit post . I still haven't finish inking the last two pages throughout these whole time while typing this (no time to proofread) . However , as a complementary in stopping you from thinking that I'm being offensive again by ignoring your work , watch this ... THOROUGHLY :


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Re: Blade Regalia
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 06:20:56 am »
You say I'm not right in the head, but the obsessive nature behind that entire reply should make you question your own mental health. Wouldn't it color you as insane if I'm actually as stubborn as you think I am? I reject facts clearly. Your reply is too long for one, you need to learn how to speak concisely, but that's the least of my problems with it.
Flub spotted . "I don't like the fact that if I put my hand into an alligator snapping turtle's mouth , I might lose my hand . I mean they're turtles , there's no way it will bite me that hard !" Your sheer stubbornness will be your downfall , I can guarantee you that 110% and that's a fact from a creative and imaginative POV . This is as harsh as it can get on reality , whether you like it or not .

So , this is not short enough for you ? So , yes , right back at you again .

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Anyway. I'm not going to try to out-cite you because surprisingly enough you don't win arguments on the internet that way.
Right back at you . Rely on just wiki to write out your assignment and you'll get an instant 'F' . I nearly gotten an 'F' for a written assignment that only relies on wiki , if it weren't for the fact that there aren't many reliable sites that can further build up my written assignment . Or else , I'd be doomed and had to repeat the course if the teacher didn't allow me to change project . It's maybe me not being that efficient at researching at that time .

I wonder why my teacher would give me an 'F' when I relied on wiki only to build up my assignment ...

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However, Lumaria is correct the core of my problem is here, glaringly obvious now that she's said it, and I did indeed forget about it. I'm sure you have no idea what it is.
I have that idea since 2015 . Forgotten what I did there as well that got me in the know ?

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That's what you mean by "preaching? Oh Lord. I talked about forgiveness I was considering actual psychological constructs that you don't even need to cite a source for because it's common sense. When you hold a grudge against someone unless you actually take actions on it, you have to expend energy and resources to fuel that hatred you have on that person. Meanwhile that person sleeps easy every night possibly even unaware that you are upset with them. Mathematically speaking the grudge is doing you a disservice because you're worried about what this person did to you while he's sleeping easy that night.
Forgiveness is calculable and can be concluded ? Source to your credibility ? Because life experience tells me that it's down to moral and philosophical value , which is extremely subjective and unmeasurable :

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/forgiveness/

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Based on my convictions Jesus already died for my sins so why would I ever care how you feel about my sins? Can you get me into heaven? I'm sorry that's not preaching, that was just me trying to spread some wisdom that most people don't figure out because I'm actually not angry at you. I was making a hyperbolic joke when I compared forgiving me to the crucifixion.
Flub spotted . Your convictions ? Jesus died for you ? Sins ? What sins ? If that's the kind of hyperbolic joke you had in mind , kindly expand your 'library' some more . That's awfully small of a 'library' you had there currently .

https://books.google.com.my/books?id=o-e5BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=Is+it+morally+wrong+to+demand+forgiveness&source=bl&ots=K9n6SSdDdw&sig=sRzOSq1eGRfFZP6-uhKTRvfXcj0&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Is%20it%20morally%20wrong%20to%20demand%20forgiveness&f=false
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09672559.2013.857705?scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=riph20
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/is-psychology-making-us-sick/201409/6-reasons-not-forgive-not-yet

I've apologized (There , your forgiveness . This is how it works ! I flubbed , I own up to it immediately) for even talking about the gaming-aspect of it and make amends by not talking about it any further and just leave it as such , but I'm willing to talk about it further if it's allowed , rule-wise . What about you with the following post after that ?

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I'm not asking you to nail yourself to a cross, but consider forgiveness is more a service to you than the person you're forgiving.
Forgiveness , much like respect are meant to be earned . Self-forgiving is when you realize your own mistakes and making amends for it - you earned it through self-realization and humility . Asking someone to forgive themselves first is not much different than demanding . This coupled with that flub above showcases the signs of a self-conceited person . If you're not , why ask for my forgiveness ?

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This is a part of my argument about how you need to work on speaking concisely. TLDR is meme of basically how poorly and shortly you can summarize a topic. It's not a good thing that you summarized your position that way. But I did completely misinterpret it.
A fault of mine , my apologies (another forgiveness !?) . "Too late ; don't read" is what I meant and it seems like it is referring to a different meaning - the more you know , memes are not my forte . Also , didn't proofread that post , so mistakes are bound to happen . However , I stand by my conclusion that your response to me using the other meme is immature on your part . Also , it was as short and concise as it gets and you still misinterpret it . If you can come up with a shorter version of that without harming the context of it , post it up .

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I would like to, but I actually can't speak on any critical aspects of the game at this time. I can speak on very general topics, but I'm sure that being able to see the design documents would help create the continuity that you would prefer before you. My goal is to make blade regalia open source to help other developers interested in similar projects, but I can't just yet. As soon as I can you'll be the first to see it. I'm actually not the owner of my indie studios LLC but the story of Blade Regalia isn't something that would be monetized in the way that the game is. What I mean is I won't be selling comic books, this is just a service to the players to understand why they're doing the weird things they're doing in the game. If you were wondering why Blade Regalia has some christian undertones, that's because a church has invested in my company, or I should say, donated. Yes, that's why this is the one and only story where the church isn't the antagonist.

Back on topic
What is this doing in your post ?

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I don't care about your respect in any of these regards. All I care about is that if you have a problem with my work, you take that out on my work instead of attacking me as person
Then why ask for my respect ?
 
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To be perfectly honest with you mate, do not care. I'm completely indifferent. Didn't even notice it got locked, but thank you for requesting that. Now I see it would cause a lot of clutter to talk about the game anyway. If you believe it's necessary to know the game to work on the lore beforehand then I fully respect that. You being an arse to me doesn't bother me enough to actually want to take actions against you doing that. I couldn't be bothered. It's not like you're spamming me or anything.
Right back at you again . Now that I've came back from work not long ago , do you want my review on your story ? Initial review suggests that I can definitely treat the gaming aspect and the story aspect as two different entity as it is . So , no need for the game information , yet .

 

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